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Old 10-19-2010, 01:00 AM
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Just got home from the shop tuning my car. Made 300rwhp and 297ft/lbs on the first pull on motor, lol. Fixed the tuning issues which bumped it up to 323rwhp and 340ft/lbs. Dropped out 6 degrees of timing, warmed up the bottle, had .063N and .035F in the plate and put down 423rwhp with 397ft/lbs. A/F was around 14.7!!!!!! WTF?!? Every online calculator calls for this jetting for a 150 hit. Where am I going wrong here? Pulled the plugs, saw no signs of detonation, saw no KR on the log as well. Anyone using this plate and having the same issue? Any input appreciated!
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Running out of fuel pump?
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Walbro 255 pulling off the rail. I would think that would be plenty of pump for 423rwhp?
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i am having the same problem. mine has a 45n/78f cause it kept going so lean and it only makes 60rwhp!! so as soon as i get a chance im taking this plate off and throwing it out the window cause it sucks ***..

my boss has the same plate on his vette and has the same problem with it also...its jetted for a 200shot and makes 115rwhp...lol
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Well, I made 100rwhp, but only 57ft/lbs!?!?!
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im going to switch mine to a twin nozzle setup from the nitrous outlet..that plate is junk in my book and i have never heard anyone that is hauling *** with a plate using the nos one either so maybe they know something we dont...
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I know what you mean. I couldn't pass it up for the price though, and they participate in contingency payouts. I prefer to support companies that support racers.
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we took my boss's plate off and had nick williams drilled it out for us so it would flow more thinking that might have somthing to do with it and that junk still dont make power...
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Well, I made 100rwhp, but only 57ft/lbs!?!?!
Lean is gets more HP, Rich gets more torque.

You were super lean so your torque was way down.
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Originally Posted by blwn_00gt
i am having the same problem. mine has a 45n/78f cause it kept going so lean and it only makes 60rwhp!! so as soon as i get a chance im taking this plate off and throwing it out the window cause it sucks ***..

my boss has the same plate on his vette and has the same problem with it also...its jetted for a 200shot and makes 115rwhp...lol
There is no way that jetting is correct. Are you running a stand alone or are you pulling fuel off the rail?

If those are really the jets you have in the plate it's probably so RICH the car is missing and showing lean on a WB. That's why you aren't making power.

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im going to switch mine to a twin nozzle setup from the nitrous outlet..that plate is junk in my book and i have never heard anyone that is hauling *** with a plate using the nos one either so maybe they know something we dont...
That's completely wrong. Plenty of people are going fast with plate kits.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Vegas
Just got home from the shop tuning my car. Made 300rwhp and 297ft/lbs on the first pull on motor, lol. Fixed the tuning issues which bumped it up to 323rwhp and 340ft/lbs. Dropped out 6 degrees of timing, warmed up the bottle, had .063N and .035F in the plate and put down 423rwhp with 397ft/lbs. A/F was around 14.7!!!!!! WTF?!? Every online calculator calls for this jetting for a 150 hit. Where am I going wrong here? Pulled the plugs, saw no signs of detonation, saw no KR on the log as well. Anyone using this plate and having the same issue? Any input appreciated!
What is the rest of the setup like? Still SI? Did you try throwing a little bit more fuel at it?
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Originally Posted by ryarbrough
What is the rest of the setup like? Still SI? Did you try throwing a little bit more fuel at it?
We didn't have any other jets with us, so neither of us were comfortable spraying it again until we had some options. The tune is dead on for motor, so it's got to be the plate/kit, which is brand new out of the packaging. It is still SI. I've made no mechanical changes.
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Get another fuel jet and see what it does.
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I'm thinking 044, thoughts?
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Get 37 thru 42 and get it right. Plate kits are awesome but dyno numbers can lie to u. The real power it makes is mph at the track. Stay on top of your plugs. If u have an exhaust leak close or in front of the wideband it will give u a false reading as well
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We know there isn't a leak, since the AFR was good on motor. I've also been hearing that it may be a fueling issue. I have a 255lph pump which should be good for 500rwhp.
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Voltage issue?

What was the A/F for the motor tune?
How much timing was pulled for the 150 shot?
Are you sure the fuel noid is working correctly?
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Originally Posted by ATVracr
Voltage issue?

What was the A/F for the motor tune?
How much timing was pulled for the 150 shot?
Are you sure the fuel noid is working correctly?
Possibly a voltage issue. Where should I start checking for that?
A/F on motor was 12.6-12.7 rock solid
Backed out 6 degrees of timing, however the plug looked like we could add at least a degree back
Yes, I test fired the noids in my garage on sunday night. Got both fuel, and nitrous.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Vegas
Possibly a voltage issue. Where should I start checking for that?
Log a pass and set the voltage as a PID.
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And I feel dumb. Lol. I'm on like 3 hours of sleep and slammed at work. The factory dummy gauge looks good, and I don't have any flickering lights or anything. I'll log voltage, and I'll email the tuner to see if he logged voltage last night.


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