NOS sportsman fogger on ls1
09-16-2002, 10:50 PM
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NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 I wanted to know if anyone is running a regular NOS fogger on there ls1's becuase i plan on doing it. I think i remember Linginfilter had an artical in Hot Rod Mag when the first ls1's came out in 97 and he got 11's with out any other mods. The thing is, I want to run a direct port and I dont want to spend over a $1000 for one. A plane sportsman fogger only runs $635 in Jegs. I know that this kit is desinged for carb's but I plan on running a seperate fuel system anyways. I just dont see any difference in spending the money for the TNT to get a 250 shot when a direct port fogger will be safer on the internals and the same price. any thoughs?
09-17-2002, 08:09 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 hey dude,dont go with NX.they suck nuts,i just returned my direct port remember.nitro dave is cool,but NX service sucks *****.all hail TNT,ruler of nitrous kits.
09-17-2002, 09:09 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 Cobrakilla....A negative review of a product is fine on this board if youve had those experiances. However, just saying a product "sucks nuts" is not going to cut it. Please be specific in the future if youre going to "bash".
09-17-2002, 09:27 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Have you checked int to the NX direct port.We have one for your car.
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</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yea i have seen that kit and tried to install it on cobrakilla's car and had many problems. it looks badass and i am sure that it works awsome but it is just to much to install. i tryied to install that kit and found out that you have to drill and tap every single hole on the fuel rail and they give you a shitty tap. also the N2O and fuel orfices are so close together that the lines are very hard to put on once drilled. this is too much for the $1200 plus $200+ for profesinal installation (which is a must unless you got a drill press, measureing equipmet and machinest taps, and experiance with this kit). i would consider it if it was less money, if the rail already was drilled for a LS1, and if it could be installed with basic hand tools. the problem with me is that i tend to do every thing to my car myself and i dont like anyone to touch or tune if for me. also, i dont have very much money, i got a wife and 2 kids, i can bearly afford the car payment, and i am adicted to acceleration. none of this really goes together, so i look at my options and i find out the cheapest way to go fast. right now the NOS fogger will cost me $800 less and i have already installed one on my carburated car with out any problems in the past so i now i can install if on this car. thanks for the offer.
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</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yea i have seen that kit and tried to install it on cobrakilla's car and had many problems. it looks badass and i am sure that it works awsome but it is just to much to install. i tryied to install that kit and found out that you have to drill and tap every single hole on the fuel rail and they give you a shitty tap. also the N2O and fuel orfices are so close together that the lines are very hard to put on once drilled. this is too much for the $1200 plus $200+ for profesinal installation (which is a must unless you got a drill press, measureing equipmet and machinest taps, and experiance with this kit). i would consider it if it was less money, if the rail already was drilled for a LS1, and if it could be installed with basic hand tools. the problem with me is that i tend to do every thing to my car myself and i dont like anyone to touch or tune if for me. also, i dont have very much money, i got a wife and 2 kids, i can bearly afford the car payment, and i am adicted to acceleration. none of this really goes together, so i look at my options and i find out the cheapest way to go fast. right now the NOS fogger will cost me $800 less and i have already installed one on my carburated car with out any problems in the past so i now i can install if on this car. thanks for the offer.
09-17-2002, 09:48 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 TNT = 1# IMO... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<small>[ September 17, 2002, 09:49 PM: Message edited by: BADZ ]</small>
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09-17-2002, 10:02 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> TNT = 1# IMO...
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">tnt is an awsome kit but i need a direct port for my plans and i cant afford the tnt and nx. cobrakilla's car will have a tnt f2 shortly and i cant wait to see the new times however.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">tnt is an awsome kit but i need a direct port for my plans and i cant afford the tnt and nx. cobrakilla's car will have a tnt f2 shortly and i cant wait to see the new times however.
09-18-2002, 12:20 AM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 A direct port is a tough install. If you choose that route, dont expect it to be easy. When you put that 1200+ down for the professional install, you get what you payfor. It doesnt "suck Nuts" you just didnt have the tools to take on such a project.
If you did, and you feel that way, take it up with NX. I dont think that any company would be on the look out to make suck nut products. BOth TNT and NX are reputable companies IMO, and I have still not decided who is going to get my DP business.
Louis
If you did, and you feel that way, take it up with NX. I dont think that any company would be on the look out to make suck nut products. BOth TNT and NX are reputable companies IMO, and I have still not decided who is going to get my DP business.
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09-18-2002, 06:24 AM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 Are you sure NX sucks nuts? It must of been your install work.
I like the TNT direct port system better than the NX system. For any thing else. I would rather have NX.
I have a NX dual MAF plate system. It hits hard!!!
It's better than the TNT F-kits. The TNT F1 & F2 have the Power Ring. It was the best thing out, untill NX built the nitrous MAF housing. The MAF kit install, looks cleaner, fits better, and you don't have to cut your lid. Just for info, NX and TNT use the same solenoids.
I like the TNT direct port system better than the NX system. For any thing else. I would rather have NX.
I have a NX dual MAF plate system. It hits hard!!!
It's better than the TNT F-kits. The TNT F1 & F2 have the Power Ring. It was the best thing out, untill NX built the nitrous MAF housing. The MAF kit install, looks cleaner, fits better, and you don't have to cut your lid. Just for info, NX and TNT use the same solenoids.
09-18-2002, 11:36 AM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 blackdeath,
that's good option, if you have the gumption to do the full install yourself, then that is an excellent option and will work fine, and does not necessarily require that you use a separate fuel system. If you choose to use the existing fuel system, simply adjust jet sizes to the accomodate the increased fuel pressure. A very large portion of the cost in the 'pre-made' systems is the labor involved in bending the tubing, etc.
that's good option, if you have the gumption to do the full install yourself, then that is an excellent option and will work fine, and does not necessarily require that you use a separate fuel system. If you choose to use the existing fuel system, simply adjust jet sizes to the accomodate the increased fuel pressure. A very large portion of the cost in the 'pre-made' systems is the labor involved in bending the tubing, etc.
09-18-2002, 07:42 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Chris Spiess
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blackdeath,
that's good option, if you have the gumption to do the full install yourself, then that is an excellent option and will work fine, and does not necessarily require that you use a separate fuel system. If you choose to use the existing fuel system, simply adjust jet sizes to the accomodate the increased fuel pressure. A very large portion of the cost in the 'pre-made' systems is the labor involved in bending the tubing, etc.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yea i think it should work just fine also. i wanted to use a separate fuel system only because i already have all the parts on my carburated car that can just be transfered, i plan on useing a 250+ shot and i think this is the safest way. i am going to move the battery to the back and use that space for the system. i saw a car like this at the track and it looked clean. all i got to due is figure a way to hide every thing inside the car from my wife because she will get pissed off if she finds out i am spraying it. this means that i cant have an ovious activation switch in the car. maybe i will hook it up to the rear window fogger switch.
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blackdeath,
that's good option, if you have the gumption to do the full install yourself, then that is an excellent option and will work fine, and does not necessarily require that you use a separate fuel system. If you choose to use the existing fuel system, simply adjust jet sizes to the accomodate the increased fuel pressure. A very large portion of the cost in the 'pre-made' systems is the labor involved in bending the tubing, etc.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yea i think it should work just fine also. i wanted to use a separate fuel system only because i already have all the parts on my carburated car that can just be transfered, i plan on useing a 250+ shot and i think this is the safest way. i am going to move the battery to the back and use that space for the system. i saw a car like this at the track and it looked clean. all i got to due is figure a way to hide every thing inside the car from my wife because she will get pissed off if she finds out i am spraying it. this means that i cant have an ovious activation switch in the car. maybe i will hook it up to the rear window fogger switch.
09-18-2002, 08:33 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bad02WS6:
<strong>Are you sure NX sucks nuts? It must of been your install work.
I like the TNT direct port system better than the NX system. For any thing else. I would rather have NX.
I have a NX dual MAF plate system. It hits hard!!!
It's better than the TNT F-kits. The TNT F1 & F2 have the Power Ring. It was the best thing out, untill NX built the nitrous MAF housing. The MAF kit install, looks cleaner, fits better, and you don't have to cut your lid. Just for info, NX and TNT use the same solenoids.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The install looks kinda clean, but ytoure back to square 1 with obstructing the intake path. You would like to keep the path as clear as possible, hence ported ends and not add to the mess. Would you put a fat divider in the middle of your catback or headers? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<strong>Are you sure NX sucks nuts? It must of been your install work.
I like the TNT direct port system better than the NX system. For any thing else. I would rather have NX.
I have a NX dual MAF plate system. It hits hard!!!
It's better than the TNT F-kits. The TNT F1 & F2 have the Power Ring. It was the best thing out, untill NX built the nitrous MAF housing. The MAF kit install, looks cleaner, fits better, and you don't have to cut your lid. Just for info, NX and TNT use the same solenoids.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The install looks kinda clean, but ytoure back to square 1 with obstructing the intake path. You would like to keep the path as clear as possible, hence ported ends and not add to the mess. Would you put a fat divider in the middle of your catback or headers? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
09-18-2002, 08:54 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> all i got to due is figure a way to hide every thing inside the car from my wife because she will get pissed off if she finds out i am spraying it. this means that i cant have an ovious activation switch in the car. maybe i will hook it up to the rear window fogger switch.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">what a minute let me piture this for a second. its raining out side and my wife wants to take the car to the grocery store. she gets in and cant see out the back window so she hits the rear window defogger. next she gets on the freeway and acelerates to catch up to traffic. the throttle hits WOT and activates the microswitch. then both solinoids open and only dumps fuel down the intake because the bottle was closed. booooom!!!!.
maybe that is not a good idea after all. i will have to figure out something else to activate it. maybe a hiddin switch under the dash.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">what a minute let me piture this for a second. its raining out side and my wife wants to take the car to the grocery store. she gets in and cant see out the back window so she hits the rear window defogger. next she gets on the freeway and acelerates to catch up to traffic. the throttle hits WOT and activates the microswitch. then both solinoids open and only dumps fuel down the intake because the bottle was closed. booooom!!!!.
maybe that is not a good idea after all. i will have to figure out something else to activate it. maybe a hiddin switch under the dash.
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 sorry guys i didnt mean to stir up some controversy.like black death said,that direct was too complicated to install,and it did not help any with the one page "universal install process" instructions.my sons 1st grade homework comes with more instructions than the NX supplied info.i knew i was in for a real challenge when i opened the box and i was short 2 npt fittings. from there things only got worse with a faulty fuel regulator that i had to send back only to recieve the same p.o.s regulator that was supposed to be "fixed".i had this kit for about 2 1/2 months without ever getting it to work.i called NX several times and they passed me around like a joint to different techs.finally i just got tired of all the b.s and returned the kit and i was promised by NX that i would recieve full credit since it was a lemon.a week later i was only given credit for 80% of the cost of the broke *** nitrous kit.i think me and black death ls1 did an damn good job with the limited resources we had,it was just that NX came up short on quality and service.and thats why i switched to TNT.so i hope you understand why i am so disappointed with NX,after all i was a die hard NX fan but i was let down.mabye later i will give em another chance,as for now TNT has got my money.
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by blackdeathLS1:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> all i got to due is figure a way to hide every thing inside the car from my wife because she will get pissed off if she finds out i am spraying it. this means that i cant have an ovious activation switch in the car. maybe i will hook it up to the rear window fogger switch.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">what a minute let me piture this for a second. its raining out side and my wife wants to take the car to the grocery store. she gets in and cant see out the back window so she hits the rear window defogger. next she gets on the freeway and acelerates to catch up to traffic. the throttle hits WOT and activates the microswitch. then both solinoids open and only dumps fuel down the intake because the bottle was closed. booooom!!!!.
maybe that is not a good idea after all. i will have to figure out something else to activate it. maybe a hiddin switch under the dash.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ill clue ya in on a secret. You DONT blow a motor from too RICH, you blow from too LEAN. I shoot raw fuel through my intake all the time to clean it from my wet kit and all it does is sputter. Thats also how you test that its working right. I had one swell shut once and no more chances! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> all i got to due is figure a way to hide every thing inside the car from my wife because she will get pissed off if she finds out i am spraying it. this means that i cant have an ovious activation switch in the car. maybe i will hook it up to the rear window fogger switch.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">what a minute let me piture this for a second. its raining out side and my wife wants to take the car to the grocery store. she gets in and cant see out the back window so she hits the rear window defogger. next she gets on the freeway and acelerates to catch up to traffic. the throttle hits WOT and activates the microswitch. then both solinoids open and only dumps fuel down the intake because the bottle was closed. booooom!!!!.
maybe that is not a good idea after all. i will have to figure out something else to activate it. maybe a hiddin switch under the dash.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ill clue ya in on a secret. You DONT blow a motor from too RICH, you blow from too LEAN. I shoot raw fuel through my intake all the time to clean it from my wet kit and all it does is sputter. Thats also how you test that its working right. I had one swell shut once and no more chances! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
09-18-2002, 10:52 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by cobrakilla:
<strong>sorry guys i didnt mean to stir up some controversy.like black death said,that direct was too complicated to install,and it did not help any with the one page "universal install process" instructions.my sons 1st grade homework comes with more instructions than the NX supplied info.i knew i was in for a real challenge when i opened the box and i was short 2 npt fittings. from there things only got worse with a faulty fuel regulator that i had to send back only to recieve the same p.o.s regulator that was supposed to be "fixed".i had this kit for about 2 1/2 months without ever getting it to work.i called NX several times and they passed me around like a joint to different techs.finally i just got tired of all the b.s and returned the kit and i was promised by NX that i would recieve full credit since it was a lemon.a week later i was only given credit for 80% of the cost of the broke *** nitrous kit.i think me and black death ls1 did an damn good job with the limited resources we had,it was just that NX came up short on quality and service.and thats why i switched to TNT.so i hope you understand why i am so disappointed with NX,after all i was a die hard NX fan but i was let down.mabye later i will give em another chance,as for now TNT has got my money.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats good. Now I see why you were dissappointed. I can see that, and When I purchase my DP, Ill keep that in mind. Very helpful. Sometimes a little explanation goes a long way as opposed to just saying it sucks nuts. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I know the feeling that you were at when you were trying to install that, and its not fun.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
Anyway, youll have your N20 on soon, and remember to inform us on how that goes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
<strong>sorry guys i didnt mean to stir up some controversy.like black death said,that direct was too complicated to install,and it did not help any with the one page "universal install process" instructions.my sons 1st grade homework comes with more instructions than the NX supplied info.i knew i was in for a real challenge when i opened the box and i was short 2 npt fittings. from there things only got worse with a faulty fuel regulator that i had to send back only to recieve the same p.o.s regulator that was supposed to be "fixed".i had this kit for about 2 1/2 months without ever getting it to work.i called NX several times and they passed me around like a joint to different techs.finally i just got tired of all the b.s and returned the kit and i was promised by NX that i would recieve full credit since it was a lemon.a week later i was only given credit for 80% of the cost of the broke *** nitrous kit.i think me and black death ls1 did an damn good job with the limited resources we had,it was just that NX came up short on quality and service.and thats why i switched to TNT.so i hope you understand why i am so disappointed with NX,after all i was a die hard NX fan but i was let down.mabye later i will give em another chance,as for now TNT has got my money.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats good. Now I see why you were dissappointed. I can see that, and When I purchase my DP, Ill keep that in mind. Very helpful. Sometimes a little explanation goes a long way as opposed to just saying it sucks nuts. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I know the feeling that you were at when you were trying to install that, and its not fun.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
Anyway, youll have your N20 on soon, and remember to inform us on how that goes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
09-18-2002, 11:03 PM
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Re: NOS sportsman fogger on ls1 Cobra Killa,
Im sorry you had a bad expirence through NX.Yes I agree there instructions need some help.They are actually working on that now.As for the problems you were haveing.I really dont think they had anything to do with the kit.I remember trying to help you on the phone.You were having fuel pressure problems before there regulater right.If that is the case you will have the same problems with the TNT kit.My memory is a little vague.I hope you have better luck this time.Sorry it didnt work out.
Dave
Im sorry you had a bad expirence through NX.Yes I agree there instructions need some help.They are actually working on that now.As for the problems you were haveing.I really dont think they had anything to do with the kit.I remember trying to help you on the phone.You were having fuel pressure problems before there regulater right.If that is the case you will have the same problems with the TNT kit.My memory is a little vague.I hope you have better luck this time.Sorry it didnt work out.
Dave