Top 20.......Changes for '05
my 87 subaru with all of its 1.8L of furry will kill all. The tricky part is still going to be getting it to hook up....yeah, its got a 5 speed 
Heck the spare tire is under the hood...don't now if I should keep that for traction or take it out for weight reduction???
Heck the spare tire is under the hood...don't now if I should keep that for traction or take it out for weight reduction??? 
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This all sounds awesome! 
Even though I really do not race, lol.
I have a couple more suggestions.
1. Why not have the top ten folks chip in $10.00 each and buy 3 nice LS1Tech trophies for the 1st, 2nd, & 3rd place top 1/4 mile time winners.
Basically, if you enter your time and make it into the top ten you put in 10 bucks as a donation towards a trophy. I think it is always nice to receive something as recognition.
With all the cash everyone spends on their cars 10 bucks is nothing even if you do not win...
2. Since everyone is into measuring performance I think a top 10 list of dyno numbers would be cool also. I think everyone has been to the dyno. This way for the non racers they can show off without going to the track. The more power the faster the car, right?. But folks like me who can not drive worth a darn want to brag also, lol.
What do you think?
Even though I really do not race, lol.I have a couple more suggestions.
1. Why not have the top ten folks chip in $10.00 each and buy 3 nice LS1Tech trophies for the 1st, 2nd, & 3rd place top 1/4 mile time winners.
Basically, if you enter your time and make it into the top ten you put in 10 bucks as a donation towards a trophy. I think it is always nice to receive something as recognition. With all the cash everyone spends on their cars 10 bucks is nothing even if you do not win...
2. Since everyone is into measuring performance I think a top 10 list of dyno numbers would be cool also. I think everyone has been to the dyno. This way for the non racers they can show off without going to the track. The more power the faster the car, right?. But folks like me who can not drive worth a darn want to brag also, lol.
What do you think?
Good ideas, but some small problems with #2. First not all dynos are the same. For example a Mustang dyno tends to have different numbers than a Dyno Jet dyno using the same exact car. 2nd, more HP doesn't mean faster ET's. You can have all the HP in the world, but it doesn't mean squat if you can't plant it to the ground (ie. suspension). Great to see someone is thinking of ways to include everyone. 
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Originally Posted by Rockin C Racing
Good ideas, but some small problems with #2. First not all dynos are the same. For example a Mustang dyno tends to have different numbers than a Dyno Jet dyno using the same exact car. 2nd, more HP doesn't mean faster ET's. You can have all the HP in the world, but it doesn't mean squat if you can't plant it to the ground (ie. suspension). Great to see someone is thinking of ways to include everyone.
I always find it interesting viewing hp with mods to 1/4 mi time. Boyce last year was the big dyno winner when everyone went. Just another FUN thing to look at. We can always pick a dyno that counts (mustang or dynojet).
This group does not do it but so many people brag about what they think there car produces.
Not a biggie just a suggestion. I MAY jump in on the top ten challenge and give it a shot
. I would take on anyone with my Suzuki Swift with 139k mi, maybe call on Bill to a run with his 95' Civic. 
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I have to agree about the horsepower/dyno thing not being fair/accurate. I dyno'd my car in the summer and she had 345 rwhp & 358 rwtq. Then I added LT's, true dual exhaust and a custom tune via HP Tuners (from someone who knows what they are doing) and this was done at a dyno shop that was not the same place as where the 1st #'s came from. The final numbers after LT's, dual exhaust and a tune.....345 rwhp & 358 rwtq. I am thinking there is/was a diff between the 2 dynos......I am tempted to go back to the 1st place now and see what she puts down, just to see what the actual gains were.
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Originally Posted by Racehead
I'm thinking maybe you accidently looked at your old dyno sheet lol !
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I went to the TNT portable dyno and was so embarrassed (low #'s) the next day or so I went to Carb conn (to verify)and the numbers were almost exactly the same. There are variables, weather, temp of the engine, etc, but the same for racing the quarter mile. Also you can go from one track to another and run different times, so does that mean track times are no good.
Dynoing is just another tool for measurement, but you do not have to be a good driver to get good results, lol.
Doesn't modding your motor means you want bigger HP, correct? Also making it stronger too. Why don't you want to compare mods to power? I know that mods like suspension = better track times and do nothing at the dyno (almost nothing).
Example me = 471 rwhp = 12.90 track 119.xx
WAHUSKER 12.437 @113.04 (1.92) '00 WS6 A4 = 420 (I can not remember the exact hp)
Maybe post the dyno with the track times, it just interestes me to death as why for example Mark is faster...better over all set up, suspension etc. & driving. Had to use you as the example Mark, lol.
Please do not take my post as angry, or negative, just pointing out my thoughts, we can agree to disagree. I just think dyno #'s tell a story compared with track times.
I would copy Marks mods (Suspension) and can get away with less hp and I may run faster.
Dynoing is just another tool for measurement, but you do not have to be a good driver to get good results, lol.
Doesn't modding your motor means you want bigger HP, correct? Also making it stronger too. Why don't you want to compare mods to power? I know that mods like suspension = better track times and do nothing at the dyno (almost nothing).
Example me = 471 rwhp = 12.90 track 119.xx
WAHUSKER 12.437 @113.04 (1.92) '00 WS6 A4 = 420 (I can not remember the exact hp)
Maybe post the dyno with the track times, it just interestes me to death as why for example Mark is faster...better over all set up, suspension etc. & driving. Had to use you as the example Mark, lol.
Please do not take my post as angry, or negative, just pointing out my thoughts, we can agree to disagree. I just think dyno #'s tell a story compared with track times.
I would copy Marks mods (Suspension) and can get away with less hp and I may run faster.
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Originally Posted by Todd2001SS
I went to the TNT portable dyno and was so embarrassed (low #'s) the next day or so I went to Carb conn (to verify)and the numbers were almost exactly the same. There are variables, weather, temp of the engine, etc, but the same for racing the quarter mile. Also you can go from one track to another and run different times, so does that mean track times are no good.
Dynoing is just another tool for measurement, but you do not have to be a good driver to get good results, lol.
Doesn't modding your motor means you want bigger HP, correct? Also making it stronger too. Why don't you want to compare mods to power? I know that mods like suspension = better track times and do nothing at the dyno (almost nothing).
Example me = 471 rwhp = 12.90 track 119.xx
WAHUSKER 12.437 @113.04 (1.92) '00 WS6 A4 = 420 (I can not remember the exact hp)
Maybe post the dyno with the track times, it just interestes me to death as why for example Mark is faster...better over all set up, suspension etc. & driving. Had to use you as the example Mark, lol.
Please do not take my post as angry, or negative, just pointing out my thoughts, we can agree to disagree. I just think dyno #'s tell a story compared with track times.
I would copy Marks mods (Suspension) and can get away with less hp and I may run faster.
Dynoing is just another tool for measurement, but you do not have to be a good driver to get good results, lol.
Doesn't modding your motor means you want bigger HP, correct? Also making it stronger too. Why don't you want to compare mods to power? I know that mods like suspension = better track times and do nothing at the dyno (almost nothing).
Example me = 471 rwhp = 12.90 track 119.xx
WAHUSKER 12.437 @113.04 (1.92) '00 WS6 A4 = 420 (I can not remember the exact hp)
Maybe post the dyno with the track times, it just interestes me to death as why for example Mark is faster...better over all set up, suspension etc. & driving. Had to use you as the example Mark, lol.
Please do not take my post as angry, or negative, just pointing out my thoughts, we can agree to disagree. I just think dyno #'s tell a story compared with track times.
I would copy Marks mods (Suspension) and can get away with less hp and I may run faster.
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Originally Posted by Rottluver
I agree that hp/dyno #'s are just that, a number. And also that the track times are what is the better judge of a car's capabilities, which, as you said, has a lot to do with suspension setup as well........I was just thoroughly disappointed that after spending thousands of $$ AND getting a tune that my dyno #'s didn't budge. I am getting ready to go back to the same track I popped my cherry at in a couple weeks to see how much (if any) there is improvement. That should be a better barometer. I just really wanted to see better #'s after laying down all that green. Oh well, life goes on.
Oh well, life goes on. I know my car can run faster on the track I just hate to keep trying.
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Originally Posted by Todd2001SS
Same here as I mentioned, before I had no tuning (Mark helped me get hooked up) I was crying because I spent a lot of money and was in the same boat. Then I had to spend more money during the tuning process to get it right. I know how you feel.
I know my car can run faster on the track I just hate to keep trying.
I know my car can run faster on the track I just hate to keep trying.
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Originally Posted by Rottluver
It sux, but what can ya do? I KNOW it felt a LOT faster via the SOP method after the tune.......just would have liked to see the diff on a dyno. Oh well. Come January when I get her up to the track, that will tell the real tale of the tape.
Originally Posted by Rottluver
No such luck. I saw both computer readouts at the diff shops and have both printouts as well.......what are the odds though, of getting the EXACT same #'s both times????
As for dyno #s = 1/4 times, when I installed my 9" w/4.11s my 1/4 time improved .3 sec & I lost 15hp. So 2 + 2 does NOT always = 4.
But I kinda like Todd's suggestions. It is nice to win a trophy!
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Originally Posted by Todd2001SS
That push button start you have is cool! Did you get to see Steven Rupps 00' SS car at the SLP CAD day?...I was looking over you site.
Only SLP "CAD" day I got to go to was the one this year, which wasn't officially sponsered by SLP. They cancelled the L.A. one for '03 and haven't had any since. I saw a lotta cars at the GTG this year, but didn't really pay much attn to any specific ones. It was raining off & on and I had my Rottie with me so I didn't want to freak anyone out by taking him up close to the cars......you know how freaked out them F-Body owners can get. TECH Veteran
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Originally Posted by WAHUSKER
Maybe the first time was Actual HP & the 2nd time was SAE?
As for dyno #s = 1/4 times, when I installed my 9" w/4.11s my 1/4 time improved .3 sec & I lost 15hp. So 2 + 2 does NOT always = 4.
But I kinda like Todd's suggestions. It is nice to win a trophy!
As for dyno #s = 1/4 times, when I installed my 9" w/4.11s my 1/4 time improved .3 sec & I lost 15hp. So 2 + 2 does NOT always = 4.
But I kinda like Todd's suggestions. It is nice to win a trophy!
Both #'s were corrected rwhp numbers......I just wrote it off to being two diff dyno's.........The guys there did mention something about my 17x11's w/315's draining about 5 rwhp (and I didn't have them on for the 1st dyno) but who knows..... 
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8) NO hot passes
a)Car must be legal for run
b)If the track gives you the boot, time does not count
If my car runs 11.4 and I get the boot, my car still runs 11.4, and if its street legal I don't see the problem. Right now my car will get booted off for many different reasons, that doesn't mean its a slow car though.
8) NO hot passes
a)Car must be legal for run
b)If the track gives you the boot, time does not count
If my car runs 11.4 and I get the boot, my car still runs 11.4, and if its street legal I don't see the problem. Right now my car will get booted off for many different reasons, that doesn't mean its a slow car though.
Originally Posted by term
I do not agree with
8) NO hot passes
a)Car must be legal for run
b)If the track gives you the boot, time does not count
If my car runs 11.4 and I get the boot, my car still runs 11.4, and if its street legal I don't see the problem. Right now my car will get booted off for many different reasons, that doesn't mean its a slow car though.
8) NO hot passes
a)Car must be legal for run
b)If the track gives you the boot, time does not count
If my car runs 11.4 and I get the boot, my car still runs 11.4, and if its street legal I don't see the problem. Right now my car will get booted off for many different reasons, that doesn't mean its a slow car though.
I see your point to a certain degree but I think the purpose of this list is for TRUE times not freak times. If I JUST wanted a 10 second time slip I bet I could do it pretty cheap and easy. But it would be pretty impractical if not stupid. Now if my car is setup to run a 350 shot and has the proper chasis, brakes, suspension etc to handle it repeatedly then so be it!
I think all of us with the exception of a couple of people on this section are in it for "street power/speed" we want a quick car that we can drive to the grocery store in comfort on Sunny days. Otherwise we start building race cars then the top ten will alienate the average member.
Again if someone can get a Drag radial driver into the nines more power to them I'll bow down and they SHOULD be number one. But we have to keep this competetive IMO so we all have a decent chance to be on the list. Really with the rules any 11sec car should be able to make it on there.
Maybe I'm off on what the list is for exactly but that is my interpertation and what I'd like to see it mean....
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How about the NHRA excepted Back-up. to validate a run you must run with in 2% the same event to back it up
AND for the record my N/A times were backed up. I backed up a 11.87 with and 11.85
If your car runs the number it should be easy. This also solves the Boot issue
AND for the record my N/A times were backed up. I backed up a 11.87 with and 11.85
If your car runs the number it should be easy. This also solves the Boot issue
Originally Posted by 93TAWicked1
I see your point to a certain degree but I think the purpose of this list is for TRUE times not freak times. If I JUST wanted a 10 second time slip I bet I could do it pretty cheap and easy. But it would be pretty impractical if not stupid. Now if my car is setup to run a 350 shot and has the proper chasis, brakes, suspension etc to handle it repeatedly then so be it!
I think all of us with the exception of a couple of people on this section are in it for "street power/speed" we want a quick car that we can drive to the grocery store in comfort on Sunny days. Otherwise we start building race cars then the top ten will alienate the average member.
Again if someone can get a Drag radial driver into the nines more power to them I'll bow down and they SHOULD be number one. But we have to keep this competetive IMO so we all have a decent chance to be on the list. Really with the rules any 11sec car should be able to make it on there.
Maybe I'm off on what the list is for exactly but that is my interpertation and what I'd like to see it mean....
Bobby
I think all of us with the exception of a couple of people on this section are in it for "street power/speed" we want a quick car that we can drive to the grocery store in comfort on Sunny days. Otherwise we start building race cars then the top ten will alienate the average member.
Again if someone can get a Drag radial driver into the nines more power to them I'll bow down and they SHOULD be number one. But we have to keep this competetive IMO so we all have a decent chance to be on the list. Really with the rules any 11sec car should be able to make it on there.
Maybe I'm off on what the list is for exactly but that is my interpertation and what I'd like to see it mean....
Bobby