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10-17-2008, 08:37 AM
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What he doesn't mention is his "refundable tax credit"! What this means is there is 40% of Americans that PAY NO TAX will get a check!!! This alone will cost the PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES almost $1 Trillion - Yes with a T.
On corporate tax rates... where did you get that 4.8% figure?
Here's a site that says effective tax rates for 80 large corporations is over 34%
http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/featu...1?OpenDocument
Figure 1. Average Corporate Effective Tax Rate
For 80 Large U.S. Corporations - Comparison of
1997-1999 and 2004-2006 Periods
On corporate tax rates... where did you get that 4.8% figure?
Here's a site that says effective tax rates for 80 large corporations is over 34%
http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/featu...1?OpenDocument
Figure 1. Average Corporate Effective Tax Rate
For 80 Large U.S. Corporations - Comparison of
1997-1999 and 2004-2006 Periods
Try this site
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/77xx/doc7...veTaxRates.pdf
I'll try to get time to analyse who is behind the stats on your site. I have my suspicions.
Also: http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008...wont-work.html
He was Secretary of Labor.
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10-17-2008, 09:18 AM
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Its not the illegals that have put health care were it is now. Its the lawyers on the democrat side who continue to allow outlandish lawsuits that allow people to sue for 9 billion dollars for a splinter!!!! AKA where do you think that knuckle head candidate who cheated on his wife got all his money from. Thats right suing hospitals and doctors. And its all the lawyers who supported his run along with the taxpayers because he got equal funding... Doctors have a hard time paying thier insurance premiums hence the cost of healthcare. So take some of the lawyers with the BS lawsuits out of the medical malpractice and things will get better. And the lawyers want universal healthcare more chances to get lazy people with the BS lawsuits in the door.
Ya ok its the illegals that have put us where we are today with healthcare..LMAO!!!
You want to talk about communism and trampling the constitution look no further than Bush and the Patriot act. You honestly have no clue.
Trying to do something about healthcare makes a person a communist?!?! LMAO!!
Other way around. The Patriot act put us one step way from Martial Law... no thats not communistic is it?
I dont think a person is bad for trying to fix our broken health care system.
Maybe some of you think that we should kill the weak and eat the poor but I'm not one of them.
You want to talk about communism and trampling the constitution look no further than Bush and the Patriot act. You honestly have no clue.
Trying to do something about healthcare makes a person a communist?!?! LMAO!!
Other way around. The Patriot act put us one step way from Martial Law... no thats not communistic is it?
I dont think a person is bad for trying to fix our broken health care system.
Maybe some of you think that we should kill the weak and eat the poor but I'm not one of them.
10-17-2008, 10:31 AM
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Try this site
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/77xx/doc7...veTaxRates.pdf
I'll try to get time to analyse who is behind the stats on your site. I have my suspicions.
Also: http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008...wont-work.html
He was Secretary of Labor.
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/77xx/doc7...veTaxRates.pdf
I'll try to get time to analyse who is behind the stats on your site. I have my suspicions.
Also: http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008...wont-work.html
He was Secretary of Labor.
You'll have to do better than a political hack appointed by Clinton like Reich. He was a horrible Labor Secretary - IMO.
10-17-2008, 07:47 PM
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Don't need to do better: PHD in economics and ex Sec of Labor: He's qualified.
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10-17-2008, 10:29 PM
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We must be reading different numbers. Effective rate = effective rate. I am referring to the rate actually paid after the corporate lawyers and tax specialists have minimized the 35% your chart specifies. I am not even referring to government subsidies to businesses.
Don't need to do better: PHD in economics and ex Sec of Labor: He's qualified.
Don't need to do better: PHD in economics and ex Sec of Labor: He's qualified.
Effective rate = tax paid / income
That doesn't mean Reich is not a hack, does it? He still has a political agenda.
10-17-2008, 10:56 PM
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I just have a question for you. What do you think of Ayn Rand? Then what do you think about Greenspan? Don't look up why I would ask you those two questions. I assume you know who both are and what Rand stood for.
10-17-2008, 11:53 PM
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The real scary thing is that it appears the population is about to elect a man whose only accomplishment is writing about himself. Yes, he has a certain attraction about him but zero experience. Talk about change, if he actual did anything in office, that would be real change! He missed almost half of the vote roll calls in the Senate.
The liberal media continues banging on Bush's approval record while TOTALY ignoring the democratic led Congress worse ever approval ratings. The recent economy down turn giving the democrats an edge as the media blames Bush's deregulation policies while COMPLETELY ignoring Congresses refusal to put controls on Fannie and Freddie as recommended by McCain two years ago.
Obama's union work horses are out there pushing on the workers to support him while lieing about his anti gun stance. In general, the unions are pro gun but if the bosses told the truth, they couldn't deliver the vote.
Then there is ACORN, attempting to sign on as many dead beat, hand out seeking future democrats as the can falsify.
Mean while, America has suffered not one single attack yet Bush is bad. Things are cleaning up in Iraq and Obama still won't admit he was wrong about the surge.
I'm not worried though, Barack the Magic Negro will fix everything because he is not Bush and he cares. What relief I am feeling! What a powerful leader!
No real substance just lots of powerful Mojo. His followers treet him like a messiah coming forth to save them. This really stood out as I listened to many of his supporters stumble over questions like: What has he done? What significant legislation has he authored? The replys were telling in that NOBODY came up with support because of what he has done. They are were supporting him because, 1) He is not Bush 2) He is for change. Thats it, the whole Obama recipe for success. It's sad.
The cause of the decline of American Culture is not Bush, or the political parties. It is the direct result of feel good liberals thinking they are making progress while actually tearing down the core of our beliefs. So, when Timmy learns that Bob can marry Bill, in public school, and respected Christians can't make a stand to protect innocent life, and diversity is the highest goal of human existence, our great Nation will come undone. When it does, those in the big cities will come face to face with the results of their ignorance and they will die off. Those of us left will rebuild, just like we always have, without some government program taking money from those who work and giving to those who don't.
The liberal media continues banging on Bush's approval record while TOTALY ignoring the democratic led Congress worse ever approval ratings. The recent economy down turn giving the democrats an edge as the media blames Bush's deregulation policies while COMPLETELY ignoring Congresses refusal to put controls on Fannie and Freddie as recommended by McCain two years ago.
Obama's union work horses are out there pushing on the workers to support him while lieing about his anti gun stance. In general, the unions are pro gun but if the bosses told the truth, they couldn't deliver the vote.
Then there is ACORN, attempting to sign on as many dead beat, hand out seeking future democrats as the can falsify.
Mean while, America has suffered not one single attack yet Bush is bad. Things are cleaning up in Iraq and Obama still won't admit he was wrong about the surge.
I'm not worried though, Barack the Magic Negro will fix everything because he is not Bush and he cares. What relief I am feeling! What a powerful leader!
No real substance just lots of powerful Mojo. His followers treet him like a messiah coming forth to save them. This really stood out as I listened to many of his supporters stumble over questions like: What has he done? What significant legislation has he authored? The replys were telling in that NOBODY came up with support because of what he has done. They are were supporting him because, 1) He is not Bush 2) He is for change. Thats it, the whole Obama recipe for success. It's sad.
The cause of the decline of American Culture is not Bush, or the political parties. It is the direct result of feel good liberals thinking they are making progress while actually tearing down the core of our beliefs. So, when Timmy learns that Bob can marry Bill, in public school, and respected Christians can't make a stand to protect innocent life, and diversity is the highest goal of human existence, our great Nation will come undone. When it does, those in the big cities will come face to face with the results of their ignorance and they will die off. Those of us left will rebuild, just like we always have, without some government program taking money from those who work and giving to those who don't.
10-18-2008, 12:20 AM
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Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged (sp). I believe is the inspiration for my personal hero Ronald Reagan.
Greenspan, while a brilliant economist, did make some mistakes - IMO. The Federal Reserve, on the other hand has no basis in the constitution and should be abolished, along with all the other federal agencies that do not have any basis for existence
10-18-2008, 12:29 AM
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Didn't have to look them up.
Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged (sp). I believe is the inspiration for my personal hero Ronald Reagan.
Greenspan, while a brilliant economist, did make some mistakes - IMO. The Federal Reserve, on the other hand has no basis in the constitution and should be abolished, along with all the other federal agencies that do not have any basis for existence
Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged (sp). I believe is the inspiration for my personal hero Ronald Reagan.
Greenspan, while a brilliant economist, did make some mistakes - IMO. The Federal Reserve, on the other hand has no basis in the constitution and should be abolished, along with all the other federal agencies that do not have any basis for existence
http://www.noblesoul.com/orc/bio/turbulence.html
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10-18-2008, 01:08 AM
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The real scary thing is that it appears the population is about to elect a man whose only accomplishment is writing about himself. Yes, he has a certain attraction about him but zero experience. Talk about change, if he actual did anything in office, that would be real change! He missed almost half of the vote roll calls in the Senate.
The liberal media continues banging on Bush's approval record while TOTALY ignoring the democratic led Congress worse ever approval ratings. The recent economy down turn giving the democrats an edge as the media blames Bush's deregulation policies while COMPLETELY ignoring Congresses refusal to put controls on Fannie and Freddie as recommended by McCain two years ago.
Obama's union work horses are out there pushing on the workers to support him while lieing about his anti gun stance. In general, the unions are pro gun but if the bosses told the truth, they couldn't deliver the vote.
Then there is ACORN, attempting to sign on as many dead beat, hand out seeking future democrats as the can falsify.
Mean while, America has suffered not one single attack yet Bush is bad. Things are cleaning up in Iraq and Obama still won't admit he was wrong about the surge.
I'm not worried though, Barack the Magic Negro will fix everything because he is not Bush and he cares. What relief I am feeling! What a powerful leader!
No real substance just lots of powerful Mojo. His followers treet him like a messiah coming forth to save them. This really stood out as I listened to many of his supporters stumble over questions like: What has he done? What significant legislation has he authored? The replys were telling in that NOBODY came up with support because of what he has done. They are were supporting him because, 1) He is not Bush 2) He is for change. Thats it, the whole Obama recipe for success. It's sad.
The cause of the decline of American Culture is not Bush, or the political parties. It is the direct result of feel good liberals thinking they are making progress while actually tearing down the core of our beliefs. So, when Timmy learns that Bob can marry Bill, in public school, and respected Christians can't make a stand to protect innocent life, and diversity is the highest goal of human existence, our great Nation will come undone. When it does, those in the big cities will come face to face with the results of their ignorance and they will die off. Those of us left will rebuild, just like we always have, without some government program taking money from those who work and giving to those who don't.
The liberal media continues banging on Bush's approval record while TOTALY ignoring the democratic led Congress worse ever approval ratings. The recent economy down turn giving the democrats an edge as the media blames Bush's deregulation policies while COMPLETELY ignoring Congresses refusal to put controls on Fannie and Freddie as recommended by McCain two years ago.
Obama's union work horses are out there pushing on the workers to support him while lieing about his anti gun stance. In general, the unions are pro gun but if the bosses told the truth, they couldn't deliver the vote.
Then there is ACORN, attempting to sign on as many dead beat, hand out seeking future democrats as the can falsify.
Mean while, America has suffered not one single attack yet Bush is bad. Things are cleaning up in Iraq and Obama still won't admit he was wrong about the surge.
I'm not worried though, Barack the Magic Negro will fix everything because he is not Bush and he cares. What relief I am feeling! What a powerful leader!
No real substance just lots of powerful Mojo. His followers treet him like a messiah coming forth to save them. This really stood out as I listened to many of his supporters stumble over questions like: What has he done? What significant legislation has he authored? The replys were telling in that NOBODY came up with support because of what he has done. They are were supporting him because, 1) He is not Bush 2) He is for change. Thats it, the whole Obama recipe for success. It's sad.
The cause of the decline of American Culture is not Bush, or the political parties. It is the direct result of feel good liberals thinking they are making progress while actually tearing down the core of our beliefs. So, when Timmy learns that Bob can marry Bill, in public school, and respected Christians can't make a stand to protect innocent life, and diversity is the highest goal of human existence, our great Nation will come undone. When it does, those in the big cities will come face to face with the results of their ignorance and they will die off. Those of us left will rebuild, just like we always have, without some government program taking money from those who work and giving to those who don't.
Damn.... Thats outstanding.
10-18-2008, 01:44 AM
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The cause of the decline of American Culture is not Bush, or the political parties. It is the direct result of feel good liberals thinking they are making progress while actually tearing down the core of our beliefs. So, when Timmy learns that Bob can marry Bill, in public school, and respected Christians can't make a stand to protect innocent life, and diversity is the highest goal of human existence, our great Nation will come undone. When it does, those in the big cities will come face to face with the results of their ignorance and they will die off. Those of us left will rebuild, just like we always have, without some government program taking money from those who work and giving to those who don't.
10-18-2008, 01:54 AM
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I agree. Very well said. But unfortunately the people that think that aren't the ones that would vote for Obama. It is filled with too many facts and predictions of the inevitable outcome of his policies. I am willing to bet that the people that will vote for Obama either don't care about the core values of this country and expect something for nothing or they are froma far more dangerous group that don't know what is best for this country because they haven't done any research and aren't smart enough to know that his policies are socialist and dangerous. The only solice I have is that he only has eight years at most to screw things up and then maybe we will have a smart President and congress that can fix it.
10-18-2008, 02:03 AM
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I was a republican once and then I got educated and looked beyond the propaganda. I'm not a democrat but I believe a change is needed and putting Mcain in there is another 4 years of Bush. Its blatently obvious as to whats been going on with the current administration and time for Alfred E Neuman to go and we dont need another puppet in there.
3 days to get water to the super dome, Cuba offered assistance.. The world watched someones grandmother stacked up dead like garbage. This is the most basic service a govt should provide to its citizens and they failed us miserably.
CHINA got relief quicker to people than we did and they run people over with tanks!
Thats the leadership we've been subject to.
Yes its time for change.
3 days to get water to the super dome, Cuba offered assistance.. The world watched someones grandmother stacked up dead like garbage. This is the most basic service a govt should provide to its citizens and they failed us miserably.
CHINA got relief quicker to people than we did and they run people over with tanks!
Thats the leadership we've been subject to.
Yes its time for change.
10-18-2008, 08:40 AM
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You can view the voting record of the senator...
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
10-18-2008, 11:17 AM
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Well guys, we can put anyone in there and I have a sneaking suposicion not much will change, and if you vote for Obama and you think it will you have a rude awakeing.
Tell me Obama fans what do you think will change and how?
I am guessing not much will change with McCain and about the same with Obama.
You can post statics all day long, dosen't change a damn thing.
We have turned into a good of the few out weigh a good of the many society.
The majoirty dosen't matter in the is country anymore. It is everyone else that matters, including what other countries think of us. Who cares what France thinks?
We can't make **** here, our economy sucks, and people are going bankrupt left and right. You are living in happy land if you blame one person for that. Congress and the Senate have to vote on that **** too. I am not saying Bush is good, Infact I don't care for the dude at all.
But the sad reallity is that this is the product of a Democrat run House and Senate and Republican President.
Who are so wrapped up in "me" and party they can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to make a good decision.
Nothing got fixed and nothing will. Neither side gives a **** as long as they are getting rich and take care of their own.
So like I said. I am voting for the dude with the most experince Politics wise and Military wise, mostly because I don't give a crap about abortion, or stem cell research, gay marraige and the like. Yeah and I know how McCain and Palin feel about that stuff. It won't change the laws though. The government sould let that **** be. That is Jesus stuff and none of their business. When I say that I mean both sides.
Sure as hell shouldn't be a platform to run on.
If you are sitting around worried about that **** you need to get out more or find a hobby. At least that is my humble and useless opinion.
Tell me Obama fans what do you think will change and how?
I am guessing not much will change with McCain and about the same with Obama.
You can post statics all day long, dosen't change a damn thing.
We have turned into a good of the few out weigh a good of the many society.
The majoirty dosen't matter in the is country anymore. It is everyone else that matters, including what other countries think of us. Who cares what France thinks?
We can't make **** here, our economy sucks, and people are going bankrupt left and right. You are living in happy land if you blame one person for that. Congress and the Senate have to vote on that **** too. I am not saying Bush is good, Infact I don't care for the dude at all.
But the sad reallity is that this is the product of a Democrat run House and Senate and Republican President.
Who are so wrapped up in "me" and party they can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to make a good decision.
Nothing got fixed and nothing will. Neither side gives a **** as long as they are getting rich and take care of their own.
So like I said. I am voting for the dude with the most experince Politics wise and Military wise, mostly because I don't give a crap about abortion, or stem cell research, gay marraige and the like. Yeah and I know how McCain and Palin feel about that stuff. It won't change the laws though. The government sould let that **** be. That is Jesus stuff and none of their business. When I say that I mean both sides.
Sure as hell shouldn't be a platform to run on.
If you are sitting around worried about that **** you need to get out more or find a hobby. At least that is my humble and useless opinion.
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10-18-2008, 02:50 PM
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Well guys, we can put anyone in there and I have a sneaking suposicion not much will change, and if you vote for Obama and you think it will you have a rude awakeing.
Tell me Obama fans what do you think will change and how?
I am guessing not much will change with McCain and about the same with Obama.
You can post statics all day long, dosen't change a damn thing.
We have turned into a good of the few out weigh a good of the many society.
The majoirty dosen't matter in the is country anymore. It is everyone else that matters, including what other countries think of us. Who cares what France thinks?
We can't make **** here, our economy sucks, and people are going bankrupt left and right. You are living in happy land if you blame one person for that. Congress and the Senate have to vote on that **** too. I am not saying Bush is good, Infact I don't care for the dude at all.
But the sad reallity is that this is the product of a Democrat run House and Senate and Republican President.
Who are so wrapped up in "me" and party they can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to make a good decision.
Nothing got fixed and nothing will. Neither side gives a **** as long as they are getting rich and take care of their own.
So like I said. I am voting for the dude with the most experince Politics wise and Military wise, mostly because I don't give a crap about abortion, or stem cell research, gay marraige and the like. Yeah and I know how McCain and Palin feel about that stuff. It won't change the laws though. The government sould let that **** be. That is Jesus stuff and none of their business. When I say that I mean both sides.
Sure as hell shouldn't be a platform to run on.
If you are sitting around worried about that **** you need to get out more or find a hobby. At least that is my humble and useless opinion.
Tell me Obama fans what do you think will change and how?
I am guessing not much will change with McCain and about the same with Obama.
You can post statics all day long, dosen't change a damn thing.
We have turned into a good of the few out weigh a good of the many society.
The majoirty dosen't matter in the is country anymore. It is everyone else that matters, including what other countries think of us. Who cares what France thinks?
We can't make **** here, our economy sucks, and people are going bankrupt left and right. You are living in happy land if you blame one person for that. Congress and the Senate have to vote on that **** too. I am not saying Bush is good, Infact I don't care for the dude at all.
But the sad reallity is that this is the product of a Democrat run House and Senate and Republican President.
Who are so wrapped up in "me" and party they can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to make a good decision.
Nothing got fixed and nothing will. Neither side gives a **** as long as they are getting rich and take care of their own.
So like I said. I am voting for the dude with the most experince Politics wise and Military wise, mostly because I don't give a crap about abortion, or stem cell research, gay marraige and the like. Yeah and I know how McCain and Palin feel about that stuff. It won't change the laws though. The government sould let that **** be. That is Jesus stuff and none of their business. When I say that I mean both sides.
Sure as hell shouldn't be a platform to run on.
If you are sitting around worried about that **** you need to get out more or find a hobby. At least that is my humble and useless opinion.
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H. Make abortions illegal, except when the physical survival of the mother is threatened, to be determined by three medical doctors.
I. Close all houses of sex and massage
Ah...No,
I If I want to get a hooker. I want to get a hooker. None of the Governments business.
Really does anyone here or should anyone care if I have sex with a hooker? If my wife, girlfriend wathever gets an abortion should anyone but my God care?
That is too much regulation for me.
Both of those are Jesus stuff right there.
I have my own beliefs on those subjects and yes I believe in God and Jesus. However they will be the final judge on that stuff.
Not the President or our lie telling cheating dirty *** Congress and Senate.
I. Close all houses of sex and massage
Ah...No,
I If I want to get a hooker. I want to get a hooker. None of the Governments business.
Really does anyone here or should anyone care if I have sex with a hooker? If my wife, girlfriend wathever gets an abortion should anyone but my God care?
That is too much regulation for me.
Both of those are Jesus stuff right there.
I have my own beliefs on those subjects and yes I believe in God and Jesus. However they will be the final judge on that stuff.
Not the President or our lie telling cheating dirty *** Congress and Senate.
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