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Old 08-16-2017, 05:02 PM
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Default PID for Knock on 0411 ECM

I'm still hunting for this PID and Formula (Equation).

I'm hoping someone with HPTuners and a 0411 can extract it from the software.

I'm trying to chase down some (hopefully) false knock and a 'monitor' would probably be quite helpful.

Supposedly the 0411 can read several different Knock PID's, but I've never been able to get it working on my Android/ELM Scan Tool.

Any help would be VERY much appreciated!

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looking at my torque app for KR heres what I found:
PID: 2211a6
scale factor x1
equation: (22.5*A)/256
auto

I dunno if this is what you're looking for.


edit- if you have the PID and equation for IDC that'd you can provide that'd be great!
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Wow!

Thanks!

I'll try it out in a jiffy!

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np. let me know if it works or not. I also have MAF (in hrtz) if you need it.
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Darn!

Didn't work... I tried the 'Alternative' PID, too.




None of the 3 Knock PID's in Toque seemed to do anything. The 11a6 said no data received in OBDLink. Didn't try 125d in OBDLink, but it registered a constant -1 degree in Torque.

The Knock Sensor never moved in the short drive I tested it with.

Do these work on your 0411?



Does this help with IDC?:

IDC is not a scale of x pulsewidth is y duty cycle. It is a calculation. I don't know how you'd set it up in EFI Live, but it's a given custom PID in HP Tuners.

IPW = injector pulse width in ms
RPM = engine speed
IDC = injector duty cycle

IDC = (IPW * RPM) / 120,000

17ms at 6500rpm is 92%.

From here:

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ssure-too.html


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im having a brainfart but 0411 is basically 2001+ PCMs correct?
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I loked up the pid and formula from my torque app that I use in my 2001 z28
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I think my 0411 is a 2001, but they're apparently really common and I just read that they could do either DBC or DBW...who knew? Mine's a DBC...

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ok. since you're using torque app, it should technically work with the GM pre-loaded PIDs.
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Yeah...no...
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what type of Bluetooth obd2 adapter are you using? hopefully not a Chinese knock-off. im using the BAFX
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It's the ScanTool MX Bluetooth...supposedly a good unit. It reads everything else...

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Update:

So, it turns out that I do get data on these 3 Knock PID's sometimes.





Any idea why it might not be always reporting?

If, for instance, the wire from one or both Knock Sensors had a bad wire, would the data report 'no data'? It seems like it should just report 0.

I don't have any real reason to suspect my wiring, but I guess I'll have to check it now. I'm attaching a couple .csv logs from Torque if anybody would like to look them over and maybe give some feedback.

I guess I should start another thread on this old truck...

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one of 2 things. the OBD2 Bluetooth isn't seated in the connector al the way so the contacts aren't touching each other or your OBD2 adapter may be faulty or the OBD2 connector itself may be lose wire somewhere. I notice that if I don't fully plug my adapter in the connector, it'll have error reading/connecting to the pcm
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I'd just keep the first one "[GM]Knock Retard(Deg.)" - It seems to be operating normally. A few degrees are pulled when knock is detected, then you can see it decay back to zero. On that note, you might want to use that field to hunt down whatever is causing that knock.

...and I'd just stop logging the other 2 fields "[GM]Knock Retard(Alternative)(Deg.)" and "[GM]Knock sensor active counter(Count)"
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Well, during the time that either they just sit at 0 or when one 'gauge' is actually displaying No Data, all the other sensors are reporting fine...Plus, I've never really had any trouble with the OBD2 Port connection.

I guess sitting at 0 is actually what I want, but I'm trying to figure out why I get bunch of timing retard just off throttle...see one of my other threads on this old truck...

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Originally Posted by computerz
I'd just keep the first one "[GM]Knock Retard(Deg.)" - It seems to be operating normally. A few degrees are pulled when knock is detected, then you can see it decay back to zero. On that note, you might want to use that field to hunt down whatever is causing that knock.

...and I'd just stop logging the other 2 fields "[GM]Knock Retard(Alternative)(Deg.)" and "[GM]Knock sensor active counter(Count)"
Sometimes the KR is the one that says No Data while the other 2 ARE reporting data...?

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its supposed to read no data most of the time. if the pcm registers KR it'll come up on the scan depending on the type of gauge you have. I have mine with the highest and lowest values along with the current reading.
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I'm using this gauge:






The Bottom Gauge is Knock Retard. The Middle Gauge is Knock Retard (Alternative) and the Top Gauge is Knock Sensor.

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like computerz said,use the GM knock retard degrees. don't bother with KR Count or the alternative. for the KR degrees, set the max value to 15 and config the display(I use the square shaped ones) to show highest and lowest on there. that way you know what your highest KR registered was as you're not constantly glancing back and forth between the device and the road.

also might as well move the KR degree parameter to a new window and include other parameters such as RPM, throttle %, timing adv, and anything else you may want to add.


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