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Hey Kfx,
Thanks again. I'm actually running open-loop speed density tune. When I'm at 180ish ECT, my VE table is spot on. It's 14.4 to 15.0 at any given moment. Pretty good and tight window.
If I start adjusting my VE to give me more fuel based upon higher temperatures, all that ends up happening is that I now run rich when I'm back down to 180F (where my car normally operates).
It's when I leave the car off at a parking lot some where and allow the temps to go up because of trapped heat and lack of air from moving and I assume raising my IAT's, when I start it, it's lean every where and stays lean until I'm back down around to 180F ECT once I get moving and air is flowing through the engine bay. Once I reach around that temperature of 160F to 185F, I'm back to good stoich operation.
That rear o2 thing is interesting...
It's a Gen 3 stock PCM that comes with our cars. (1999 trans am/camaro)
Thanks,
Andy
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At first I thought it was fuel pressure/vapor lock issue, but that can't be the case with an FPR set at 60psi to the rails at all times.
AIR Pump is disabled already
I don't think 1999 PCM's had a properly functioning Cylinder Bias Temperature unfortunately.
Maybe I need to fudge with the OLFA table.
Thanks again. I'm actually running open-loop speed density tune. When I'm at 180ish ECT, my VE table is spot on. It's 14.4 to 15.0 at any given moment. Pretty good and tight window.
If I start adjusting my VE to give me more fuel based upon higher temperatures, all that ends up happening is that I now run rich when I'm back down to 180F (where my car normally operates).
It's when I leave the car off at a parking lot some where and allow the temps to go up because of trapped heat and lack of air from moving and I assume raising my IAT's, when I start it, it's lean every where and stays lean until I'm back down around to 180F ECT once I get moving and air is flowing through the engine bay. Once I reach around that temperature of 160F to 185F, I'm back to good stoich operation.
That rear o2 thing is interesting...
It's a Gen 3 stock PCM that comes with our cars. (1999 trans am/camaro)
Thanks,
Andy
Edit:
At first I thought it was fuel pressure/vapor lock issue, but that can't be the case with an FPR set at 60psi to the rails at all times.
AIR Pump is disabled already
I don't think 1999 PCM's had a properly functioning Cylinder Bias Temperature unfortunately.
Maybe I need to fudge with the OLFA table.
I have an 04 ls1 gto. Cable throttle body. So it’s probably the same computer or very close. Have you tried enabling open loop back on and see what it does?
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Yes, you can delete it, or even do a relink. What HP Tuners can't do is anything related to the Body Control Module (BCM) or other non-engine related modules. HP Tuners is engine and trans only, (powertrain) and that's it. To do the other stuff, like ABS for example, you'd need a tech II. HPT does a ton of things, and in reality, a lot more than what a tech II can do since you can edit so much of the PCM with it, but it can't touch other anti-theft stuff like the radio because that's BCM related. VATS is PCM, so HPT can edit that.
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Sorry for being out of the loop. Been busy lately, will be getting my hands dirty again soon so I will be making some more videos. I know, I know, I keep saying that, but life gets in the way of these things, and I want to make sure I do them right. Sorry if I have not responded to you guys. I'm still here, lurking, at least once a week. Like I said, I will get back to doing additional videos soon. Unfortunately for this crowd, next will be based on a Mustang cam swap. If you have a 4.6L GT, then expect a FULL guide on how to upgrade/replace cams. I have to do it anyway, might as well make a complete tutorial, including the maintenance, followed by tuning the VCT, MAF, and so on. It's not something I've been able to find on YouTube or even forums so far, as to how to actually get the tune done. Fords are weird, so I guess I'll be showing my successes and probably failures too, since they are going to happen here lol. So long as the valves don't kiss though, it will be fine.
I'll be out for the next 30 days or so, but I will check back in here and there. Videos will obviously be after that and the holidays.
I'll be out for the next 30 days or so, but I will check back in here and there. Videos will obviously be after that and the holidays.
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Also, if there is anything else you guys would like to see, please feel free to post here and I will do my best to cover it. I'll have my camaro too, so if you guys want me to research something or experiment, feel free to post on this thread.
And yes, the real purpose of post was so I could hit 1000 on my post count, but still, I am happy to try stuff out for folks, and now would be the time since I'll be home soon.
And yes, the real purpose of post was so I could hit 1000 on my post count, but still, I am happy to try stuff out for folks, and now would be the time since I'll be home soon.
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Yes, you can delete it, or even do a relink. What HP Tuners can't do is anything related to the Body Control Module (BCM) or other non-engine related modules. HP Tuners is engine and trans only, (powertrain) and that's it. To do the other stuff, like ABS for example, you'd need a tech II. HPT does a ton of things, and in reality, a lot more than what a tech II can do since you can edit so much of the PCM with it, but it can't touch other anti-theft stuff like the radio because that's BCM related. VATS is PCM, so HPT can edit that.
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I have a mild built 6.0 (in the car but cold af) and I wanted to go speed density as my fellow friends are as well (I could help tune them better) but was scared to even attempt it.
After watching a few videos I pulled up my hp tuners and had a base map done in a hour.
Huge thanks to Doc. Best hp tuner vids on YT
After watching a few videos I pulled up my hp tuners and had a base map done in a hour.
Huge thanks to Doc. Best hp tuner vids on YT
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Originally Posted by ChopperDoc
Sorry for being out of the loop. Been busy lately, will be getting my hands dirty again soon so I will be making some more videos. I know, I know, I keep saying that, but life gets in the way of these things, and I want to make sure I do them right. Sorry if I have not responded to you guys. I'm still here, lurking, at least once a week. Like I said, I will get back to doing additional videos soon. Unfortunately for this crowd, next will be based on a Mustang cam swap. If you have a 4.6L GT, then expect a FULL guide on how to upgrade/replace cams. I have to do it anyway, might as well make a complete tutorial, including the maintenance, followed by tuning the VCT, MAF, and so on. It's not something I've been able to find on YouTube or even forums so far, as to how to actually get the tune done. Fords are weird, so I guess I'll be showing my successes and probably failures too, since they are going to happen here lol. So long as the valves don't kiss though, it will be fine.
I'll be out for the next 30 days or so, but I will check back in here and there. Videos will obviously be after that and the holidays.
I'll be out for the next 30 days or so, but I will check back in here and there. Videos will obviously be after that and the holidays.
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Great videos Sir. It's been a long time since I've tuned a cammed LS engine and found your videos. I was able to brush up on a few things, and learned several things too.
The way you go about explaining things, well is far better than any videos I've seen so far.
I was happy that my H/C/I/E car started up first try and idled with no problems. It actually idles a little to well. I figured it would have more chop to it at idle(no I didn't by the cam for the sound)but it has 16 degrees of overlap and idles at 70kpa, but is smooth, if that makes any sense.
I've always tuned cruise/part throttle with STFT and WB for WOT(obviously). I've never tried OL tuning with the WB for everything. Since this is my personal vehicle I have a lot more time to play with it and try different things.
One thing that I would like to see, or explained, it how to use filters to better dial in the VE table and transiet fueling.
Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos.
Oh, IMO, 2v and 3v Fords are easier to tune, even with cams and boost...
The way you go about explaining things, well is far better than any videos I've seen so far.
I was happy that my H/C/I/E car started up first try and idled with no problems. It actually idles a little to well. I figured it would have more chop to it at idle(no I didn't by the cam for the sound)but it has 16 degrees of overlap and idles at 70kpa, but is smooth, if that makes any sense.
I've always tuned cruise/part throttle with STFT and WB for WOT(obviously). I've never tried OL tuning with the WB for everything. Since this is my personal vehicle I have a lot more time to play with it and try different things.
One thing that I would like to see, or explained, it how to use filters to better dial in the VE table and transiet fueling.
Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos.
Oh, IMO, 2v and 3v Fords are easier to tune, even with cams and boost...
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I'd like to see a detailed step-by-step guide on how to calibrate for relocated O2 sensors. Should the narrowband error match the wideband error? Which tables to adjust, in which order to adjust the tables, how much to adjust them by, how to arrive at the populated values, what data & behavior to look for to know whether it is optimized, etc. Here's some detail from the HPT Forum but I can't wrap my head around the specific workflow.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...g-with-Headers
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...g-with-Headers
Also, I apologize for the late response, it's been crazy lately for everyone I think.
Great videos Sir. It's been a long time since I've tuned a cammed LS engine and found your videos. I was able to brush up on a few things, and learned several things too.
The way you go about explaining things, well is far better than any videos I've seen so far.
I was happy that my H/C/I/E car started up first try and idled with no problems. It actually idles a little to well. I figured it would have more chop to it at idle(no I didn't by the cam for the sound)but it has 16 degrees of overlap and idles at 70kpa, but is smooth, if that makes any sense.
I've always tuned cruise/part throttle with STFT and WB for WOT(obviously). I've never tried OL tuning with the WB for everything. Since this is my personal vehicle I have a lot more time to play with it and try different things.
One thing that I would like to see, or explained, it how to use filters to better dial in the VE table and transiet fueling.
Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos.
Oh, IMO, 2v and 3v Fords are easier to tune, even with cams and boost...
The way you go about explaining things, well is far better than any videos I've seen so far.
I was happy that my H/C/I/E car started up first try and idled with no problems. It actually idles a little to well. I figured it would have more chop to it at idle(no I didn't by the cam for the sound)but it has 16 degrees of overlap and idles at 70kpa, but is smooth, if that makes any sense.
I've always tuned cruise/part throttle with STFT and WB for WOT(obviously). I've never tried OL tuning with the WB for everything. Since this is my personal vehicle I have a lot more time to play with it and try different things.
One thing that I would like to see, or explained, it how to use filters to better dial in the VE table and transiet fueling.
Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos.
Oh, IMO, 2v and 3v Fords are easier to tune, even with cams and boost...
To answer your question: For filters and trying to sort out transients, this is a pretty tall order with A LOT of really complex math involving thermodynamics and evap rates based on heat, vacuum, airflow, and time. Hell even the material of the heads and block matter lol. That doesn't mean I haven't worked on it though, because I have, and it is incredibly difficult to come up with a workable formula to determine exactly what the transients are, and what their actual units are in the tune. The units are not defined, so it's a ton of guess work, but you need to know that stuff about vacuum, heat, airflow etc. Higher vacuum increases evap, higher heat does too, higher airflow does too, etc. So it's not so simple to just "plug in a filter" per-say, because first the PCM needs to know the RAW VE number minus the transients to get "x" value for said transient, which is a ton of math. Look at my Airmass explained video for more on that, and then assume it involves a LOT more math. I really wish I could be helpful, but in some things the scanner is indeed limited. As in you cannot reference another user math with a user math. This here would be fantastic and help massively in getting somewhere on this, however, it's not possible, currently.
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New video, beginning (finally) the 3 part series on scaling a tune. I started with the concept in order to broaden the application. Though this is a P01 (0411) walk through series, the concepts apply to any other Gen III PCM, and new if needed.
I have the basis of the engine video laid out already so it shouldn't take long for me to get that one together and posted for those that have been waiting for this.
Part 2 will be the Engine tables, and Part 3 will be the transmission, if this applies to you.
Hope you guys like it.
I have the basis of the engine video laid out already so it shouldn't take long for me to get that one together and posted for those that have been waiting for this.
Part 2 will be the Engine tables, and Part 3 will be the transmission, if this applies to you.
Hope you guys like it.
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Thanks, I have a pretty good start on the other two parts, still working on it obviously lol. It takes quite some time to get things right. Appreciate the comment and your help as well. I'll make sure to link to your sticky... Don't let me forget lol.