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Old Aug 2, 2004 | 08:29 AM
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Question Open Loop/Cold Start A/F ????

What is the proper A/F ratio for an open loop/cold start be at?

Last week when I tuned my car on the dyno, when I was done tuning, I completly cooled the car down to about 100 degrees. I did this so I could check my open loop/cold start A/F on the dyno's wideband.

When it first started up, my A/F was 12.0-12.7 A/F. I had them put it in gear and drive it and the A/F was about the same. Once the car went into closed loop, the A/F went to 14.3-14.8 A/F.

Are cars suppose to be so rich on cold starts? If so, what is the reason for this?
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Old Aug 2, 2004 | 09:31 AM
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To get the cats hot quickly i would assume
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Old Aug 2, 2004 | 10:26 AM
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so if you dont have cats wink wink nudge nudge bumping the a/f to 14.0+:1 wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing correct?
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You want the car to run a little rich when cold because the fuel doesn't atomize efficiently compared to a warm car and runs "shakey." You can lean out the cold a/f to the point at which the car still idles fine.
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Old Aug 2, 2004 | 10:56 AM
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I guess most of you are too young to remember when cars had a choke to richen them up when cold.
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Old Aug 2, 2004 | 10:56 AM
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Right, kinda like a choke on a carbed car.
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Old Aug 2, 2004 | 11:01 AM
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or a lawnmower
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Old Aug 4, 2004 | 09:52 AM
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at 50-60 degrees outside temp 12.2-12.5 is normal for a cold start.
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How do you turn off the closed loop at idle? I would like to richen mine up a little but the pcm keeps adjusting it back to 14.3 or so.
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To get the ideal a/f ratio for a stock car (yours shouldn't be too different) just divide the open loop a/f multiplier table by 14.7.

You will notice how the a/f gets richer the colder it is out. That should give you a good starting point.

Technical had the right response as to why you want it richer.
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Originally Posted by HumpinSS
To get the cats hot quickly i would assume
Thats the job of the AIR system. It injects fresh O2 into the exhaust to light off the CATS quickly.
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Originally Posted by NoGo
To get the ideal a/f ratio for a stock car (yours shouldn't be too different) just divide the open loop a/f multiplier table by 14.7.
Do you mean divide the stock Open Loop Table by 14.7 will be my new multipler numbers for cold starts???

Also, I've noticed that sometimes on cold starts I'll get black specks on the driveway from my exhaust pipes, looks and smells like its running rich. Thats another reason I asked the main question above..........
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14.7/multiplier from table is you commanded AFR

14.7/AFR is what you will use for a multiplier
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