LS1pilot

Anyone use these two scan tools....which one do you like better??

Thanks!

Jeff

ArcticFormula

I have never heard of EASE, do they have a website?

xxxhp

http://www.obd2.com/personal/personal_gmobd2.htm

Team ZR-1

I used atap for 6 months and got tired with all the bugs, crashing, lost link connections, corrupting data and vendor not correcting bugs that have been in the product for a year I know of.

I researched vendors and found the Ease scanner, and have been using it now for 5 months plus, over 1,000 traces.
It is a much better designed product and is flawless, no crashes, better user interface, works within windows, faster and vendors sole business is making such products, whereas Autotap is a step child of B&B electroncs and not their prime product base.

Ease even allowed me to get the product for teammates at a discounted price.

[quote]Originally posted by LS1pilot:
<strong>Anyone use these two scan tools....which one do you like better??

Thanks!

Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>

LS1pilot

John!

I know you would respond to this once I saw you here...

Not to disrespect your opinion...I do, but thats besides the point.. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> ...I am looking for others who use it (EASE).

I tried the demo and was suitably impressed but it would not import any of your logs so I could not get a good feel for it...

I think I am going to sel my A-Tap anyway and try EASE.... I have just been cash poor for the last 5 months! But all that is going to change real soon!

Can you say Stage II heads and cam...intake...injectors..LS1 edit or custom tuning...!!!! <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />

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ReactiveSS

Hey this a subject I'm very interested in learning more about. I'm looking to make a purchase of a scanning device so please do give me some additional feedback on these and any others that someone has had expierance with.
Thanks
Joe

MattG

I have been using Autotap now for over a year. I must admit their windows software is pretty buggy and unstable. However, I have never had a communications or crashing problem with their DOS version of the software. The DOS version also does more traces per second I believe.

I have never worked with EASE but it sounds like a pretty good product. I may try it out in the future for something different.

Chris Jones

Was their site correct, it's like $500-600 for Ease, isn't it?

A-tap is a piece of crap, I can't get more than 1 out of 4 runs to log without it crashing under WinXP.

I've been doing some beta testing for EFILive V5. If this latest version they are working on this weekend works I'm going to buy it. Under $200 with cable. I'll then dump my Atap cheap on the classifieds.

LS1pilot

The EASE personal version is available on Team ZR1's web site for $315.00.....Not much more that A-Tap at $280 give or take a GP.

Only difference I can see between the Professional and personal versions is the number of cars you can monitor.

John (Team ZR) would be a better person to ask about this....

How about it John? What are the differences between the pro and personal versions?

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Closer_2001

iTrader: (6)

I'm interested in an ATAP for GM. Shoot me an email if anyone is looking to sell.

tornwalle@maincontrol.com

red ws6 99

Question on Ease software how fast does it log. Is similar to autotap in that the more you log the slower it gets and even with one or two parameters is too slow (way less than 10 frames for second).

Or is Ease more more like EFlive were you can log at 10 frames per second whether you are doing 1 parameter or 24-25. Eflive seems to be pretty still beta even though they are selling it has actual sofware.

Gary

Slowhawk

iTrader: (12)

I've run more than 30 logs on A-tap without one problem on windows XP.I must be lucky.

Team ZR-1

[quote]Originally posted by LS1pilot:
<strong> How about it John? What are the differences between the pro and personal versions?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Personal versions are "Read only" scanners.
They have desktop, pocket P/C and PDA versions.

Pro versions are scanners, plus can do bi-directional ( for testing a function, not a programmer)

You can get a version just for one nameplate or for several nameplates.

Options:
You can can a gas analyzer
Instead of a laptop hooked to car, a blackbox with LEDS, it records runs and then box can send the recordings to a desktop via a data logger.
Wireless, instead of a laptop in car, a blackbox and it transmits scans to a central desktop for replay or exporting.

Networking several wireless units hook up to each other via a wireless network.

Pro allows unlimited cars/trucks to be scanned, the personal will only allow 20 different cars to be in car list at a time.

Pro does both OBD-I, OBS-II, enchanced DTCd and generic OBD.

Also Pro version allows you to scan all body and chassie modules whereas cheaper models are PCM only.

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Team ZR-1

For one there is slow due to OBD-II protocol having to go across the single internal bus in the PCM while other PCM data also accessing that bus and there is being slow due to the scanner design is not good.

Ease uses what is called "Fast Data Packets", when turned on it requests for 6 functions to respond in the same frame. It also allows the PCM to shutup about DTCs, meaning you can via Ease tell the scanner and PCM not to request DTC info during the scanning or if using graph mode while scanning.

The OBD-II protocol and limk protocol are not fast protocols and keep in mind the link between PCM and scanner cannot operate faster then 10,500 bits per second which is much slower then most modems.

I used autotap for some months and then switched to Ease and it is quicker of the two.
Ease makes test tools for G.M so their scanners must meet G.M specs to be a tier 1 vendor.

I do not know the product you've mentioned I did contact them some months ago to try and get them to send me a eval unit to test it and still have not seen it.

[quote]Originally posted by red ws6 99:
<strong>Question on Ease software how fast does it log. Is similar to autotap in that the more you log the slower it gets and even with one or two parameters is too slow (way less than 10 frames for second).

Or is Ease more more like EFlive were you can log at 10 frames per second whether you are doing 1 parameter or 24-25. Eflive seems to be pretty still beta even though they are selling it has actual sofware.

Gary</strong><hr></blockquote>

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red ws6 99

Thanks for the response, I figured it did fast data packets but could not find any information on the obd2 webpage. I tried the demo eflive but about half the options were not implemented and it was very difficult to use so looking for something better.

Gary

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Mongoose Z-71

Hey John, since you're answering all these questions......whats the difference between PER-GM2-00 and PER-VPW-01 I know the latter is cheaper and it looks like it covers the same vehicles <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">

Team ZR-1

Hi Frank,
VPW does generic OBD-II (P0XX DTCs) for G.M cars/trucks whereas GM2 model also does G.M enhanced DTCs which allows you then to see all codes G.M does for all modules of car, whereas generic OBD-II only shows what EPA requires.
Frankly for the little bit more money for the enhanced version is more useful.

They do allow if you purchase a lower model to upgrade it to a model having more features.

[quote]Originally posted by Mongoose Z-71:
<strong>Hey John, since you're answering all these questions......whats the difference between PER-GM2-00 and PER-VPW-01 I know the latter is cheaper and it looks like it covers the same vehicles <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>

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Mongoose Z-71

[quote]Originally posted by Team ZR-1:
<strong>Hi Frank,
VPW does generic OBD-II (P0XX DTCs) for G.M cars/trucks whereas GM2 model also does G.M enhanced DTCs which allows you then to see all codes G.M does for all modules of car, whereas generic OBD-II only shows what EPA requires.
Frankly for the little bit more money for the enhanced version is more useful.

They do allow if you purchase a lower model to upgrade it to a model having more features.



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Thanks for the info John <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

ToplessTexan

[quote]Originally posted by Coser_2001:
<strong>I'm interested in an ATAP for GM. Shoot me an email if anyone is looking to sell.</strong><hr></blockquote>

RonWhite@CF is selling his EASE scanner:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=247919

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mobius

i used ease on an eclipse and it is not to bad to use, however i tried to by an update for the ls1 and they would not work with me. i had the plug and cord all i needed was the software for the gm cars. guess what same price as the whole package. they would not budge on the price even though i was already a customer and only needed a 3.5 floppy. half price would have been fair...