well from what I seen here all you guys are hptuners.

my expirience with him, he tuned my car a while back. When he was still in cali, then he moved to oregon.And I had no choice but to look some were else, wich I onestly regret. Overall he was the best tuner we had.

Of course you guys bash on him because you have to defend what you guys have to offer, in this case HPT,EFILIVE

at this point I havent seen anyone with bad tuning from him

 

Most of the people on this site have left an inferior tuning solution for products that work better and do more. That's the reason I use what I do. I challenge you. Dig deep, do some hardcore thinking, hell make it up if you have to, and tell me ONE thing about LS1edit that is better than either of the tuning solutions you named.

 

Yeah I would like to see this too.

I got one. If you dont like the person of the car you are tuning during the 2:30 it takes to flash the vehicle have the user turn the car off

 

LS1Edit Offers the following that others don't.
1) Customer Support is top notch......
2) Frequent Updates.......
3) Custom Operating Systems for 2/3 Bar support.......
4) Included FUCTIONAL scanner with custom Histograms.......
5) User friendly help file and tutorials......
6) Community backed website with forums for users to discuss problems.....

Wait.... That would be a dream if Edit did all of that now wouldn't it?? Hell your just lucky that after the 2:30 it takes to write or 20mins to read, that your PCM still works.

SEVERAL of us own or have owned all three packages. That gives us the right to say edit sucks. If you have ever used it and then used HPT or Live, then you understand. The **** he says is so far from the truth it makes me laugh.

 

OH and let's talk about pricing too while we're at it. I just took this from carputing's site -
99/00 LS1 car Editor/Programmer Package. Unlimited PCM's $1499

That's ONLY about a grand more than HPtuners and ONLY about 1400 bucks more than it's worth! Add on the autotap and we're at 1700 bucks and I can't even run my wideband into it!

And before you ask, I consider the Beta scanner they have to be a bigger piece of junk than their original product.

 

Not looking to argue, and this doesn't prove anything (especially for someone in the market for the first time), but the fact is that I had been tuning my car for three years before HP ever existed, plus I've still only invested $450.00 bucks in editing software, and I'm still using it! Just count me as a very happy customer. I've been very careful about staying seated in my car when I flash, and I have a dedicated notebook, with a serial port running WinPro2000, which has been rock solid and 100% dependable. I have nothing against HP or EFLive, and I have nothing against Edit either. Why should I?

 

For someone that is not concerned with slow read/flash times, is only going to tune one vehicle, is willing to give up the histograms (truthfully, HPtuners had me as soon as I saw that), is willing to have a separate scanning solution, does not want updates, and accepts that if a problem occurs while flashing their computer is screwed - LS1edit is fine. I bought LS1edit too. Back then I thought it was the coolest thing since sliced bread. A PCM later I was a little less thrilled. And then I saw another solution that does more for me, it does it faster, and I can tune more than just my car - I was sold. Please don't take this as a slam on you. If LS1edit fits the bill for you, great. But there is no way that the guy earlier in the thread is going to convince me that it's a better product than HPtuners or Live.

 

the thing I wonder is If one of us pulled your tune and looked at it..what would we see...would we see band aid tuning or real tuning...
I know a lot of guys that think a tune has to have a dyno pull or 7 and doesnt need to have any street/part throttle tuning at all...
if thats a tune then I hope you fry a piston...
I use HPTuners.... but I'll defend EFI and I'll defend LS1 Edit...
its not the fact that he uses LS1 edit....
its the fact that he tunes incorrectly and then bashes on other programs that have more features and are easier to use due to a wide knowledgebase that is completely free.

to mee it seems that in that e-mail response his feeling got hurt because he spent money on one thing and then realized he should have spent the money on a different program that he secretly likes the features of better...

its liek buying a 224 cam ad then hearing a 232 cam and realizing that you wanted that one because of the lope it gives and the upper end HP difference you see from the nature of cams.
I use that example because I know a guy that had a 224..bitched that the 232 was too big and that it didnt make as much power under the curve and it wasnt any useful in his daily driver...and now he has one..LOL
Its 1st grader mentality.

reality...
somebody should tel that guy in the e-mail to get over himself...spend some money and buy Both HPT and EFI...use them until he is completly comfortable with both of them and then see fo he can still bitch about them and call them inferior...IF he's a real person and isnt a first grader...and has any real idea of how to tune..then he will be able to use all 3 with no problems. and he may even use a combination fo all 3 for various diferent uses

 

I suppose. I've only had to read my pcm one time for the stock flash file, and a flash takes a couple minutes. I never saw time as a factor one way or the other. I've never used histograms, but I know I can tune without them. I want a separate scanning solution unless an editor came bundled with EASE, plus you need some drive time for editing changes to stabilize. Updates are available for Edit but I never needed them so never paid for them. Most problems people have with Edit are unrelated to Edit itself but running the program on a dirty computer that goes online, or using crappy usb adapters.

I'm not saying you made a mistake switching to HP, just that I haven't made a mistake by staying with Edit. There is no right or wrong here: they're all just tools, and just as a mechanic has every right to use a torque wrench with computer readouts, he also has every right using a regular torque wrench. In the end, the program is only as good as the tuner. It's all good if we're getting results. JMO.

 

LS1 Edit killed one of my PCMs (due to the stupid long amount of time it takes to write a PCM... lost power during a write... at the time it would ONLY do FULL reflashes) ... so I'm not about to defend edit or give it any props... besides... using LS1 Edit is liking using windows 95 ... it's antiquated, and obsolete I say edit IS/WAS at fault because they chose to do FULL rewrites only ... and then it took 3 years before HPT came out w/the ability to do a calibration only write... so conclusion... LS1 Edit is a POS licensing model sux, support sux, documentation sux... it was great when it was the ONLY thing out there... but now that there's competition... it's been left in the dust (as evident by their half assed attempt to bundle a scanner into LS1 Edit... to think it was 1.00f beta this time last year... oh wait... it's still the same!)

Regarding the individual that this post is about... His posts speak for themselves (at least on this board... not sure what kinda crap he's spewed out on other boards)


EASE 4 LIFE !!!! (cause paying 450 for an antiquated tuning program and another 4 or 500 for EASE is plainly the best solution out there!)

 

Well, I will say that there is one good thing that came out of this thread. It appears that several of us that don't agree on certain things seem to have the same opinions on this. How often do you see the above names in a thread and it still be open?

 

LMFAO so true so true!!!!!

 

Mike, I'm sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with Edit. That sucks! Just a note, losing power is not a fault of LS1 Edit. In fact exactly as I was saying, everyone blames Edit when they make a mistake, rewrites or not, JMO.

Obsolete? If you can effectively tune your car, how could it be obsolete? Maybe you don't have the toys, bells, and whistles, but you can tune your car as well with Edit as any other program. Even though today you can buy a toothbrush with a digital readout, I don't think it has made the regular toothbrush obsolete.

As far as Edit and EASE being the "best solution out there," I would never claim that (whaddya think I'm nuts, lol), but for ME, in hindsight, it has turned out to be the best, most economical solution. I didn't have to purchase additional software, plus EASE is the best scanning package available.

If we didn't go a couple rounds here, once-in-awhile, LS1 Tech just wouldn't be as much fun for me. Happy tuning!!! And Happy Holidays to you and yours!!!

 

but you can tune your car as well with Edit as any other program.

Predator,
I understand you are defending the tools you use. But that is just not true. Edit does not have the tables to tune properly. You can "work around" but you can't get it really right. Until EFI and HPT you always heard complaints about tunes changing over time or living with certain issues. You don't need to live with issues anymore. I give Ken credit for enabling us to tune our cars, but he was, I assume still is, inflexible and progress has passed him by. Edit does not kill your PCM, you just can't recover it as you can with the other programs. If you're happy that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that Edit is inferior. OH, they are not toys or just bells and whistles, they are useful tables for a variety of modifications. If you're tuning without a scanner you are on thin ice.
Joe

 

On a more humorous note, with the reliability of HP Tuners I've surfed ls1 tech, ****, filled up on gas, dropped my laptop, had dyno operators turn off the ignition while reading and writing pcm's and have never lost a pcm

I have used both products. I don't see how its even fair to compare then. Once you get your hands on a modern tuning product I don't see why you'd ever want to go back.

 

I'm not against hp tuners. Onestly I will take my car to who will tuned the best. I had allready spent over $10,000 dollars on my new set up. And till now I'm still looking arround for the best tuner.

If you guys know were I can find a very proffecional tuner in california let me know. I cant find anybody that can replace JR. I'm just going from tuner to tuner

 

Rick@Synergy Motorsprots will get you squared away

 

I allready know him. I need some one with lots of expirience

 

Thanks, I'll stay open-minded, yet I'm not sure how my tune could be improved. If I could, I'd dump Edit. No SES light, recently passed emissions, perfect idle, zero KR, 13.0-13.2 a/f, negative LTFTs, zero misfires, etc. As soon as I discover a lacking in my tune that can't be addressed with Edit, I'll switch in a heartbeat.

 

wow a thread that hptuner and efilive guys getting along. are we in heaven.
LOL J/K