I have been tuning LS1s as long as LS1edit has been out, I dropped over 10k on that software, and at the time it was great, definitely better than mail order tuning for sure! no scanner was provided with it, so you had to get your own, and then nothing was what it was today, until EFIlive v5 hit the market. that was definitely ok setup, I have copy of EFIlive for my personal car since it was such a cheap upgrade I picked it up, still havent used it to its potential as my car is on the back burner right now. I own a full license with HPT, all platforms LS1/2/6, SD 1,2,3 bar yadda yadda, and I must say this software is fantastic, I could never go back to edit/EFIlive datalogging ever again, the graphical representations really help you analyze whats going on, not to mention the histogram displays! which I beleive started with EFIlive. Both HPT and EFIlive to me seem to have the same capabilities, just go about them different ways, I need LS2 support so I chose HPT. thats my two cents about that.

I can't beleive JR is still tuning and talking smack, he used to run with a local shop down here and brainwashed them to talk just like he did also,no wideband or dyno!?!? my my how times have changed. He may sound like he knows what is really going on, but thats about it. Challenge him on his knowledge and he will start spitting some off the wall garbage at you. I have fixed a few of his boo boos as I have fixed other tuners problems, but I like to just do my job and continually make myself better, a quote from my previous profession "you never stop learning". So after investing 30k in software and laptops and another 50k in a dyno/wideband equipment (with more to come) I'd like to think I am a fairly dedicated tuner, it doesnt even matter if you are the best, someone always has something to say, as there are always 3 sides to a story, you can't please them all, but you can try. On a final note I let my work speak for me, my car runs 9s and its a stick, drives perfect, and is reliable as a 9 second car can be, I produce some of the most powerful setups around also, all my cars seem to be among the fastest, and have the least amount of failures.

 

The last update for LS1Edit was 1.5....wasn't that shortly after HP Tuners came out with their 1st version? LS1Edit is an Antique.

The airflow tables available in EFILive/FlashScan and HP tuners are NOT available in LS1Edit. This is a huge problem for 90 mm Tbs and Fly-by-wire.

Many Timing tables are not available in LS1Edit.

I don't believe LS1Edit offers Idle Airflow trims as a PID. This was a major failure on their part.

So basically you can buy LS1Edit to get you part of the way to a final tune or buy EFILive or HP Tuners and get ALL of the way there.

 

There's two things I find funny here, one of the proponents for LS1Edit vs newer software in this thread probably has this much knowledge over EFi systems anyway ---------------> 0.00, and therefore the definition of "tuning" would be lost to them

and the second thing is that I just farted...

Back to my cave now!!!

 

I need to go grab another beer

 

If you ever do switch over to EFIlive or HP tuners, You'll see what you were missing, I had no thoughts on changing from LS1edit untill my LS1 edit cable stopped working( The cable does not seem to show that It's licenced anymore) Then I got Flashscan and never looked back, I really love my tuning software now. BTW, I was able to see some mistakes in my old LS1 edit tuning with my new EFIlive software.

 

Thats funny. After this thread, you are comparing me to JR? What does Nick say about that as well? Is he not as worthy as JR as well? Last time I checked, both are shops were cleaning up his messes.

Rick

 

Very true. some important tables related to drive ability are not even available with edit. If you have a large cammed car it could be a night and day difference.

 

Can you be more specific about what mistakes you had in your tuning with Edit, and what table(s)/feature(s) EFILive had that solved those mistakes (and were missing in Edit)? Thanks.

 

So if you don't have a large-cammed car (which I don't, 224/224 112), is it still worth switching? And I mean could I improve upon my tune rather than just gaining convenience features of the software, histograms, faster flash times, etc.?

 

Idle tuning with LS1Edit is a joke- compared to EFILive or HP tuners. You CANNOT properly tune Idle airflow, and thus all airflow , with LSnone-edit.

I have, and have used all 3 programs.

LSNone-Edit sucks!!

 

Predator if you really feel like making the comparison without spending any money you can dload the trail version of EFILives software at http://www.efilive.com/downloads/sof...14_456_329.exe then you can go through and compare what is there and what isnt. The descritions alone for each table and its functionality will help you along with any questions you may have about the new things you see in the software. Play around with it for some time and then maybe you can come back and tell us your experience using a newer tuning tool.

When i look at the tuning tools and take edit and compare it to EFILive I see it like this.

I am a carpenter and my boss just asked me to break a 4" concrete slab and hands me a hammer used for nailing nails in decks or wood (Edit). Of course I can still break the slab but how long is it gonna take or how efficient will i be at breaking this slab?

On the other hand my boss asks the same question and instead hands me a sledge hammer to break that slab (EFILive/HPTuners). Which would you prefer to get the job done. I know what I choose

Even if the slab was 2" thick (224 cam) I still would want the sledge hammer to Git er done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Funny you mention idle, that was one area of tuning that kicked my ***, so I hired TeamZR-1, JR, the subject of this thread, to help me with just idle tuning, and he did a fantastic job. Idle is no longer an issue at all. What was cool was that I was able to email him an EASE scan I had, and he emailed me a new Edit file with the idle corrected.

 

HumpinSS, thanks for the info, and I'll definitely check it out. I get your metaphor, and I've always been partial to sledgehammers. See-->

 

With all but pretty radical tunes, I've been able to get LS1Edit to work as well -- but the numbers never correlated to anything I could figure out. I just got used to knowing what numbers to stick in the cells to make the car do what I wanted it to do. With EFILive, I've been able to make sense of the numbers and relate them to scanned data more directly, which only makes the job easier and in my mind more accurate. So again, I was able to get the job done either way, but there is a benefit to the (in my mind) better software.

For my 98 Formula, doing a closed loop speed density tune was only a world easier with EFILive than it would have been even attempting it with LS1Edit. Give that a shot and give us your results

 

yeah i have seen tunes from this guy, my little sister knows more than him i believe

 

Wow, your little sister must be Ms. Goodwrench.

 

she single?

 

hahaha

 

I should have had your sis tune my car.

 

i dont think this guy did any ve tuning, it was all in the pe, ranging from 1.0-1.3 (i think not 100% sure, but either way it was messed up) and also 17-19* of timing WOT