Announcing Pre-Orders for VCM Suite 2.1 and MPVI (USB)!!
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That problem is much worse with the old system..
With the old system:
You have a tune lined up for the weekend. You buy the license.. your tune falls through and now that license was paid for but remains unused..
At least if you sell the interface you can sell it with that additional license.. but that license was still for a specific year/model.
With the new system.
You purchase your credits for the weekend.. your tune falls through... now you can sell your interface with x amount of credits that the buyer can use however they wish.
With the old system:
You have a tune lined up for the weekend. You buy the license.. your tune falls through and now that license was paid for but remains unused..
At least if you sell the interface you can sell it with that additional license.. but that license was still for a specific year/model.
With the new system.
You purchase your credits for the weekend.. your tune falls through... now you can sell your interface with x amount of credits that the buyer can use however they wish.
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Why do things have to be so complicated in the LSX tuning world? As a tuning shop that sells many tuning systems, when the phone rings with an LSX tuning prospect, it is very difficult to quickly give a price quote. I have to put my propect on hold, call my CPA to see where I'm at with what tune number Vs credits, latest supplier plans etc, then calculate a quote for the propect, if he's still there. Having just come from the LS1 Edit world to the HPTuner world, I feel like I've jumped out of the frying pan into the fire as far as trying to keep track of my raw cost for a tune job, it's a moving target. Yes, pricing versatility is nice but losing jobs because of complicated pricing causing over and under quoting (more under then over) is getting old. No, I don't do the unlimited thing because I don't want to be locked into anything in this profession that may take years for the break even point. You hobbyists think your head hurts.
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dynocar, I can understand where you are coming from.
Once you actually use the credit system you will see how easy it is to use though. The user interface for the credit and licensing system is very easy to understand and follow.
Once you actually use the credit system you will see how easy it is to use though. The user interface for the credit and licensing system is very easy to understand and follow.
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Since you guys decided to change the credit system I've placed my order for the upgrade. Thanks for making the changes.
BTW... Are you sending out confirmations on the pre-orders you are receiving via paypal?
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BTW... Are you sending out confirmations on the pre-orders you are receiving via paypal?
Thanks,
Tim
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OK someone please tell me if I got this right...
Before this deal I could've gotten the HPTuner pkg with "2" "year" model licenses. Now I can only get 1 and then have to buy more "credits" to do another year license???
If I use the 2 credit deal, does that mean it locks itself to the PCM/VIN of the vehicle...just like EFIlive and the handheld type stuff?
What's the deal here?? Sorry, if this is a little late, but I'm in a far away place and tried to read the whole thread but we only get 20 min. on the computer.
If this is the case, WHY??? Cheaper in the long run??? My long run is just my 2 LSx based cars. I'm not a tuner shop.
Before this deal I could've gotten the HPTuner pkg with "2" "year" model licenses. Now I can only get 1 and then have to buy more "credits" to do another year license???
If I use the 2 credit deal, does that mean it locks itself to the PCM/VIN of the vehicle...just like EFIlive and the handheld type stuff?
What's the deal here?? Sorry, if this is a little late, but I'm in a far away place and tried to read the whole thread but we only get 20 min. on the computer.
If this is the case, WHY??? Cheaper in the long run??? My long run is just my 2 LSx based cars. I'm not a tuner shop.
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Most individuals didn't need the unlimited license, so many wanted to the option to tune just their own cars...
In your case if you only want to tune your 2 LS based cars, you can and you can still have 2 spots free to tune 2 other cars (friends car, or if you purchase another) ... since you get 8 credits, you could do an unlimited and a vin locked, or 8 vin locked, or a vin locked and custom OS, etc...
In your case if you only want to tune your 2 LS based cars, you can and you can still have 2 spots free to tune 2 other cars (friends car, or if you purchase another) ... since you get 8 credits, you could do an unlimited and a vin locked, or 8 vin locked, or a vin locked and custom OS, etc...
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So Basically there is no $$ comparison with any competitor anymore. Everyone is now $6-800. Now it's just the features and ease of use...which I had used neither yet so I don't know. Guess I'll just keep reading the "battle of the tuners" then decide. I'm in no hurry as my M1114 HMMWV doesn't have an LS1.
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Originally Posted by TimZ28
BTW... Are you sending out confirmations on the pre-orders you are receiving via paypal?
Thanks,
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Thanks,
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Originally Posted by SAPPER
So Basically there is no $$ comparison with any competitor anymore. Everyone is now $6-800. Now it's just the features and ease of use...which I had used neither yet so I don't know. Guess I'll just keep reading the "battle of the tuners" then decide. I'm in no hurry as my M1114 HMMWV doesn't have an LS1.
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So if you get a new customer, which interface do they recieve? The old one with 2 model years and no eio? or the new one with the eio, and usb support? For 499.00??If so that truley is a pretty good deal for new tuners, other than the whole thing about the credits.
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Originally Posted by 99FormulaWs6
So if you get a new customer, which interface do they recieve? The old one with 2 model years and no eio? or the new one with the eio, and usb support? For 499.00??If so that truley is a pretty good deal for new tuners, other than the whole thing about the credits.
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Originally Posted by SAPPER
So Basically there is no $$ comparison with any competitor anymore. Everyone is now $6-800. Now it's just the features and ease of use...which I had used neither yet so I don't know. Guess I'll just keep reading the "battle of the tuners" then decide. I'm in no hurry as my M1114 HMMWV doesn't have an LS1.
For only $499 you could tune your car, convert it to 2bar, and tune some other cars as well.
Also, our scanner has enhanced parameter support for every vehicle we list on our orders page. That list is only going to get larger as well. You won't find that type of scanner vehicle support with the other products available.
Our scanner will also work on ford and dodge vehicles as well in the near future. That will be a simple software upgrade as once you have the MPVI interface, you have GM, Ford and Dodge hardware support.
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will it cost anything to scan Ford/Dodge with the new interface, or are we going to shell out credits to scan them too. I guess my first question was, are you doing away completely with including the box that is currently out(serial)?
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SO, back to my statement. Will there be enough interfaces to fill the orders on the books right now? Or is there a possibility that my order will not be filled and shipped on the 15th? How will I know? Do I have to wait for the UPS guy and if he doesn't show on the 16th or the 17th, then I will know?
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When it ships, the company that makes them usually has ups send one of the automated emails with tracking number (unless your ISP flags it as spam and blocks it)
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4749
these kinda questions really are best directed at the HPT forum since alot of them have already been answered
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4749
these kinda questions really are best directed at the HPT forum since alot of them have already been answered
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Originally Posted by gameover
We definitely value your opinion and others. In fact that's how we got to this system in the first place, by listening to customers feedback. However, it's very tough to make one scheme that delivers the perfect outcome to every customer given the huge diversity in our customer base and the need to keep things simple.
The concept of a refundable "core charge" has been around for a long, long time and works fine for the rest of the automotive industry.
I'll be upgrading from an original serial cable without EIO to the USB "Pro" cable for wideband support on an LS1, BTW, so I do "need" to upgrade. I'm not complaining about the price at all, just the process, and I'm not asking to get anything free. Dead time in March (when upgrade orders finally open) sucks.
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