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Old 04-02-2008 | 01:18 AM
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Try taking the fuse out for one of the sides and turning the lights on. They may just be out of synch. Usually they will synch back up after a few on and off cycles.

How Long has it done this?
Old 04-02-2008 | 08:46 AM
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Try taking the fuse out for one of the sides and turning the lights on. They may just be out of synch. Usually they will synch back up after a few on and off cycles.

How Long has it done this?
It just started yesterday. I used to work nights so the lights were used lots and it has never happened before.

Where Could I find the fuse for it? Just in the fuse box, nothing crazy?
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The fuse box under the hood. The taller of the 2. There's a fuse for the left side and one for the right. Mine will get out of synch when I have to change the gear or something. Usually I just have to flip the switch a few times and it will sort itself out.

What year is your car?

The headlight controller is a flat sided thing that clips onto the fuse box. Look at post #299 for a picture. You might want to unplug it and check for corrosion on the terminals and then plug it back in real good.
Old 04-02-2008 | 11:28 AM
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The fuse box under the hood. The taller of the 2. There's a fuse for the left side and one for the right. Mine will get out of synch when I have to change the gear or something. Usually I just have to flip the switch a few times and it will sort itself out.

What year is your car?

The headlight controller is a flat sided thing that clips onto the fuse box. Look at post #299 for a picture. You might want to unplug it and check for corrosion on the terminals and then plug it back in real good.
The car is a '96.

I'll try what you put up later (I'm just on lunch now). Thanks for all the help so far, its much appreciated.
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No dice on the fix. Still doing it =/.
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Do you have a buddy with a TA or firebird? Swap the Control Module for the headlights and see if it still does it. If yours is then fixed and his does the winking, then you know you need a new Control Module. If nothing changes, you've eliminated the Control Module.

When the car is off and you use the fob to lock the doors, do the headlights move at all?

Have you done any work at all to the headlights or motors recently?

Did you inspect the linkage? Are any of the plastic stops damaged?

Do the headlights go all the way down and all the way up or do they stop at a slightly different position?
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Do you have a buddy with a TA or firebird? Swap the Control Module for the headlights and see if it still does it. If yours is then fixed and his does the winking, then you know you need a new Control Module. If nothing changes, you've eliminated the Control Module.

When the car is off and you use the fob to lock the doors, do the headlights move at all?

Have you done any work at all to the headlights or motors recently?

Did you inspect the linkage? Are any of the plastic stops damaged?

Do the headlights go all the way down and all the way up or do they stop at a slightly different position?
I'm thinking that one of the stops is missing. How much will that cost to replace?
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I don't know. It shouldn't cost much, but it would be a dealer item. It's just a small clunk of plastic. You might be able to get one from a junkyard.
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I don't know. It shouldn't cost much, but it would be a dealer item. It's just a small clunk of plastic. You might be able to get one from a junkyard.
Sounds like fun <_<. I'll take a closer look tomorrow, maybe I can superglue something into position, or I'll call around.
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There are huge forces acting on the stops. One of my thick plastic stops almost got sheered in half!
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Read through the sticky and haven't found an answer to my headlight issue. Have a 97, and one headlight comes up almost all the way. Long story short, the pivot point on the headlight broke. I've been trying to get the nut and bolt off and find a washer to put on it and rig it up to the headlight assembly somehow, but can't get the bolt out, I know it's a torx bit but I'm having a hell of a time getting anything in there. Any suggestions or tips?
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You'll probably need to post a pic so we can see what is actually broken.

As far as getting the bolt out, I use a 10mm wrench and then the torx head built into a 3/8 drive socket. I then use about a 10" or longer extension and a ratchet. The angle is tight, but you can usually push the torx in and hold it there while you use the wrench to actually loosen the nut.
I'm no stranger to that routine.

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Read through the sticky and haven't found an answer to my headlight issue. Have a 97, and one headlight comes up almost all the way. Long story short, the pivot point on the headlight broke. I've been trying to get the nut and bolt off and find a washer to put on it and rig it up to the headlight assembly somehow, but can't get the bolt out, I know it's a torx bit but I'm having a hell of a time getting anything in there. Any suggestions or tips?
Old 04-11-2008 | 03:11 PM
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Okay, My passenger headlight has came up on its own while driving down the road twice so far. When I tried to lower it the second time it wouldn't go down. I noticed whenever I hit my keyless entry my right headlight comes up and down. also my right light comes up when I turn on my fog lights. I can manually lower my passenger light by turning the ***, so does this mean my gear is not stripped? and why is my light coming up with the keyless entry and fog light switch. Please help!!
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The controller brain has to sense a jump in current to know the lights are locked into position (dumb design). When the gear gets stripped the headlight doesn't send that signal and the controller gets confused about whether that light is up or down. When you press the key fob (and you have the parking lights set to blink) it makes the headlight controller act wierd and it will raise, then lower the headlights. My guess is it's trying to re-establish it's knowledge of the headlight position.

I know when they are out of synch, turning the switch on and off a few times will cause the headlights to synch back up. I just can't say how the brain works. It's a complex little unit.

I don't know how your headlight popped up while driving, though. Are you saying it locks in the upright position or just pops up part way? If part way, then the arm linkage (which is supposed to be pressed firmly to the white plastic blocks) may have slipped past the block and allowed the linkage to get out of whack. The motor turns that arm in about a 270* arc. If it gets past the white stops into that unused 90* area it causes all kinds of wierd issues.

Inspect the linkage arms to the motor and find the 2 plastic white stops and watch it while hitting the key fob button. It sounds like your left light is fine, so watch and compare the 2 linkages.
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Originally Posted by JasonWW
You'll probably need to post a pic so we can see what is actually broken.

As far as getting the bolt out, I use a 10mm wrench and then the torx head built into a 3/8 drive socket. I then use about a 10" or longer extension and a ratchet. The angle is tight, but you can usually push the torx in and hold it there while you use the wrench to actually loosen the nut.
I'm no stranger to that routine.
Here we go, happened b4 I got the car, only realized now that it was being pulled into place by some string that I just broke.
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I figured you must have something really wonky for it to do what you said it did. That whole assembly is a big cast piece of aluminum. I think your just going to have to replace it. That probably means buying a whole headlight from a salvage yard. a half assed repair like with string is going to give you a lot of problems.

They can be expensive. If you know someone who can weld aluminum, they can weld you a little piece to close the hole and then you can grind the hole to the proper size.

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Originally Posted by JasonWW
I figured you must have something really wonky for it to do what you said it did. That whole assembly is a big cast piece of aluminum. I think your just going to have to replace it. That probably means buying a whole headlight from a salvage yard. a half assed repair like with string is going to give you a lot of problems.

They can be expensive. If you know someone who can weld aluminum, they can weld you a little piece to close the hole and then you can grind the hole to the proper size.
Yea I was afraid of having to replace the whole thing, have to see what I can find at the junkyards. Thanks for the help.
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I tried to do the temp fix and I couldnt get the motor shaft off of the headlight elbow after I took the nut off. It is rusted to it. I sprayed everything under the sun and no luck. After about 30 min of no luck I just put it back together. What can I do to get it off?....this car is about to **** me off and Im real close to trading it...I have had it 3-4 months and have put about 2500-3k in repairs that should not be necessary if the dealer wasnt a lying *******

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Old 04-20-2008 | 09:18 PM
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Usually about all you can do is rock the metal arm back and forth slightly and then use a screwdriver to apply a pry pressure against it. It should pop loose.
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we gave it quite a bit of pressure. I was afraid we were gonna bend the arm and mess it up totally or break the motor. We were beating on it pretty good and it didnt budge....Guess ill try it again another day. Guess I might as well try to beat the **** out of it cuz its basically broken now. I guess I cant really do much worse other than having to replace the whole assembly....Sure hope the temp fix works lol. Of course I looked and my pass side isnt near as rusty.


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