jarednut4ever

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I am looking to get a GTO. I want an A4. Now I have done a search with not so much luck. I can pick up a 04 cheaper but I have a lot of fbody friends so I think they will pick on me with the ls1. But how much slower are the ls1's vs the ls2's. Let me know. I just don't want every fbody around here kicking my butt. Thanks, Jared

ULTIMATEORANGESS

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there was a discussion on here about this that lasted a week.lol



id get an ls2 but an ls1 as you know has great potential so id go with your best deal.

jarednut4ever

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Ya I saw that thread. So stock for stock what is the 1/4 difference. And rwhp diff between them both stock.

oshia86

Ive raced an 04 a4 and it wasnt a tough race at all. Once from about 20-60 and another from like 50-120, both times i was clearly ahead. Put it this way, the 04 has your SS's engine with more weight, so itll be slower than your stock SS. The 05-06's though make up for it with a little extra power. After all is said and done though the difference isn't huge and you would probably be best picking what you can get a better deal on. And btw Ls2 = more of a low to mid 13's 1/4 and 04's get more mid high 13 1/4's

blkbltgoat

rwhp for ls1 280-310 about

rwhp for ls2 330-340 about

either way your fbody friends will pick on you though lol. get what you want and disregard other peoples opinions.

jcash

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id say go with the ls2, my car is almost an ls2 with all my mods now..LOL just need the rotating assembly to be official

jarednut4ever

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I am getting this car cause it is bigger and I will be able to fit my kids in the back seat. I just want a decently fast car. In my SS I raced a lightly modded 06 gto and murdered it. But he had 20'' wheels and blowmasters. But When we raced we went from a 20-120 roll and I put 5+ lengths on him. So please tell me they are faster then that and they will hang with fbodys.

blkbltgoat

20" wheels on a gto find him and take his keys away. GTO stock for stock is even with the fbodies.

the main thing you will need to contend with is learning how to deal with the wheel hop.

if you are getting the car for space getting in the back seat is a pain. there is room once you get back there but getting there is difficult(i pack a kid in there every day). also the trunk is small itty bitty some might say.

I love my GTO though. i traded my LS1 Z28 for it and i have never looked back.

DNTMPME

Those "stock" class numbers aren't exactly stock cars... I've seen LS2 Goats run high 13's and my LS1 Truely stock (paper filter) ran a 13.3@106mph... At the same time, I have beat up on some lightly modded F-bodies (exhaust, intake) when mine was stock... The gearing in the trans in the M6 is shorter than the F-body, but it is a heavier car so from a roll the GTO can be quicker if you know how to drive it...

I have tested this 2 ways:
A buddy of mine who is a VERY consistant driver has an 02 SS with exhaust and a lid...

race #1) From a 40mph roll, he honks 3 times and we go...I just accelerate and go...we are basically even...tug of war until 100mph, I am ahead...

race #2) From a 40mph roll, he honks 3 times and we go...This time I push the clutch in for just half a second, raise the RPM's to about 5k and dump the clutch, and go...(this all has to happen in like a half a second's time)...Different story this time...I launched out in front about to where his front wheel is at my back wheel...He never recovered and continued to fall behind(only about a car's length)

It all has to do with your ability to drive your car...

breze84

I ran a 13.2 @ 106 bone stock with stock KDW's at GLD in Wisconsin..... I also but down 325 RWHP / 334 RWTQ at Modern Muscle dyno day bone stock..... With my current mods i put down around 345-50 RWHP / 355 -60 RWTQ and am shooting for High 12's with some better meats.... But i also have a M6 which dynos around 20 RWHP more than a A4.... I blaze Fbodies all day, im not hating on the fbody by anymeans cuz i am a Fbody owner and have always had Fbodies weather it a 3rd gen or 4th gen.... My buddy has a 02 Z28 M6 with a Speed Inc SI4 cam 224/224 588/588 112 LSA, SLP headers, catless mids, Tune, ect ect... and with my current mods we go back and fourth me a car here him their.... from a dig i pull him pretty good, but from a roll were dead even...... 04 GTO FTW.... alot of these LS2 GTO owners dont wanna face that the 04's are just as fast and sometimes faster then them, The 04 GTO has better heads then the Fbodies and we rock the LS6 intake, Fbodies were the 853casting GTO are 241casting. Or better yet Slap a set of 243 heads off an LS2 and put a 04 ZO6 cam or larger in their and their you go. you got a LS6 from a 2004 Z06 with 405hp or better.... 50 crank HP is not going to make a big difference by no means when it comes to a race.... Go with whatever makes your wallet happy, either way you go you wont be dissapointed..... And for the GTO you raced with 20's, i doubt he knew how to drive.....

blkbltgoat

please share your insight why exactly arent those stock numbers, is it because those numbers dont mirror your personal experiences.

96gt4.6

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Late '00, '01 and '02 F Bodies have 241 heads, as well as the LS6 intake. I know, I have an '02 T/A motor in mine. My best pass with only a Tune, gutted cats, A4 with 2.73's out back, lid and stock stall was 12.98@108. Best 60' with 245/50R16 street tires was 1.98. Albeit this was at a corrected altitude of 1500ft, very good weather for us here in the middle of Kansas where the typical corrected altitude is around 3500ft. I ran 13.8@102 with a cutout and filter, all stock otherwise.

The '01-'02 F Bodies are definately quick in stock trim, although not unbeatable, especially with a poor driver mod. Although it's hard to be a poor driver with an A4.

The GTO's are HANDS DOWN wayyy nicer. If it were my choice, LS2 all the way.

britt06gto

you need a 06 m6...the are the best i raced a 99 ta with a few mods from a 15 roll and beat it by a fender...

ptero

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About a half second. One reason the list posted above is deceptive is those numbers are from all over the country at different times of the year. DA can easily count for a half second or more. Like I said... .5 in the 1/4.

blkbltgoat

Wouldn't multiple locations at different times of the year make the list more represenative of what the gto can do.

ptero

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Sure, if it were controlled. Who's to say all the LS1s on the list didn't have better conditions than the LS2s?

I averaged the two list and get 13.03 for the LS2s & 13.22 for the LS1s. I usually run at HRP & we get a few pretty good days to run (along with a lot of bad days). I've seen lots near 13 flat and a few better times with stock LS2s. I don't recall ever seeing a stock LS1 run a 13.2. I'm not calling bs, I'm just saying in my experience from what I've seen it's about 1/2 second difference.

blkbltgoat

instead of using mean to find the average use median. the median of the LS1 class is 13.2 and for the LS2 class is 13.03. median is a better way for calculating averages because it excludes outliers.

Just because you havent seen something happen doesnt mean its not real look at santa clause.

breze84

True true i forgot that they revised the Fbody motor.... i thought they only did it with the later built 02's....

ptero

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But the fact of the matter is I have seen many LS1 GTOs run, and a comparably prepped car is generally about .5 slower.

In your experience, have you seen differently?

breze84

I have, Me.......... But at the same time i seen my buddy with a 06 with LT's, Corsa, Tune, and on stock 18's run a 12.7xx @ 109.xx mph, This all took place Saturday at GLD.... I ran a 12.924 @ 108.2 mph 60'(2.255)