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Old 10-21-2017, 08:20 AM
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Looks like the boost LOL from the LS3 heads kick in at 4000 rpm.
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Kinda what most of us have believed; cathedrals good on the low end/midrange, but watch the big ports take over from there! Good info Hammer! Thanks!
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That cam is 239/255 @ .050" specifically designed for rectangle ports. I wonder if it hindered the 317 heads.
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That cam is 239/255 @ .050" specifically designed for rectangle ports. I wonder if it hindered the 317 heads.
I'm with you. It's kind of a pointless test unless the cams are also switched. That being said, I bet the LS3 heads and this cam still make more power than the 317s with an appropriate cam.
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Just now seeing they only use one cam. That's way too much of a split for a 317 head. Maybe a 239/245 woiuldve been more optimal for the cathedral heads.
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I'm with you. It's kind of a pointless test unless the cams are also switched. That being said, I bet the LS3 heads and this cam still make more power than the 317s with an appropriate cam.
Yeah surely, the LS3 is larger and better suited for the airflow demands of a 408ci shortblock. The smaller intake port in the 317's needs more intake duration IMO, so I suspect that helped widen the gap between the two.
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The spilt isn't gonna hurt it
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Remember this article in car craft a couple years back....
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Crazy how stock Ls3's are almost as good as crazy expensive cathedrals at a fraction of the price
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Ham makes threads like this to make himself feel bettr. Stoopid compare. A head that cant flow near 300cfm to a big square port on a 408ci stroker??

Put both those heads on a 4.8 or 5.3 w/ a cam speccd for the cath heads. Hmmm, motor more suited to smaller heads along with cam. 180 from this test.

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Why is this test still being done in 2017 lol

Isn't there a story from 2007 doing the same thing?

It must be the Russian propaganda machine.
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Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
Ham makes threads like this to make himself feel bettr. Stoopid compare. A head that cant flow near 300cfm to a big square port on a 408ci stroker??

Put both those heads on a 4.8 or 5.3 w/ a cam speccd for the cath heads. Hmmm, motor more suited to smaller heads along with cam. 180 from this test.

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Both curves peaked at the same RPM and rolled over at the same point all I hear are excuses
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Originally Posted by spanks13
Both curves peaked at the same RPM and rolled over at the same point all I hear are excuses
Not making excuses man. Just saying it's a stoopid compare. All you would have to do is ask the question & I bet 99% of people would know which head would make more power.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Crazy how stock Ls3's are almost as good as crazy expensive cathedrals at a fraction of the price
It's only crazy if you don't understand how engines work.
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Originally Posted by KCS
It's only crazy if you don't understand how engines work.
Can you explain it to me please?
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Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
Ham makes threads like this to make himself feel bettr. Stoopid compare. A head that cant flow near 300cfm to a big square port on a 408ci stroker??

Put both those heads on a 4.8 or 5.3 w/ a cam speccd for the cath heads. Hmmm, motor more suited to smaller heads along with cam. 180 from this test.

Ham knows in his heart which head is always better.
What I find interesting is the Ls3's made more torque. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by big hammer
What I find interesting is the Ls3's made more torque. Thoughts?
Yes they did. After 4k rpm. Wat you thinkin?
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Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
Yes they did. After 4k rpm. Wat you thinkin?
Theoretically that's where the engine spends most of its time whilst racing?
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Originally Posted by big hammer
The spilt isn't gonna hurt it
Agreed.

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