Irunelevens

You say it's silly to drag race S2000s, but that same attitude makes it silly to road race or auto-x F-bodies and Mustangs.

S8ER95Z

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Exactly. They roll over when they try to go through corners.

Wesmanw02

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Because everybody knows Mustangs and F-bodies can't handle at all. They are like pickup trucks.

You are an idiot, you prove it in every damn thread.

Wesmanw02

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No, you need torque no matter how much your car weighs or what you do with it. Torque is what gets the car moving off the line, torque is what allows you to maintain speed, torque is what allows you to make horsepower. They are directly related.

No, that is irrelevent. I can drive my car around all day shifting at 1800RPM comfortably, or run it to redline at 6250RPM to hit peak power. The powerband is pretty much from idle to 6250, the car will accelerate from any RPM when you punch the throttle. And no stock S2000 makes power at 5500 nor redlines at 10K. They make power at 6,000 to about 9,000, which is a very narrow powerband, and it takes forever to get up there. So if you find yourself in the wrong gear, the race is over.

And there's no way that any S2000 is going to pull the front wheels unless its completely gutted and weighs next to nothing or its turbocharged and its launching in boost. Thats obvious.

Irunelevens

I owned a Mustang that handled very well, thank you. If you couldn't tell (which obviously you couldn't), my post was a bit sarcastic. I don't think it's stupid to road race or auto-x F-bodies and Mustangs, just like I don't think it's stupid to drag race S2000s. Reading comprehension > you.
Takes forever to get to 6,000rpm? No. When I take off from a stoplight the car is at damn near 3,000rpm by the time I have the clutch all the way out. The only way it "takes forever" to get to 6,000rpm is if you try something like trying to race somebody from a 30mph roll in 3rd gear. If you drive the car like it's supposed to be driven, you rarely find yourself in the wrong gear. You talk so much about "daily driving," but then switch to racing whenever you see fit. If you are racing somebody, why would you be in the wrong gear?

Wesmanw02

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There was no sarcasm in that post. You basically said that its silly to drag race S2000's just as its silly to road race F-bodies and Mustangs, based on that attitude.

3000RPM by the time the have the clutch out?? Have fun replacing that clutch, its not long for this world seeing those kinds of RPM's from a stop in daily driving.

Its easy to be in the wrong gear. Some things catch you off guard, like ricer flybys. I usually just walk them in whatever gear I'm currently in, no need to downshift to get into a peaky powerband.

Irunelevens

This is what I said. Now where in that statement did I say it was my opinion that road racing F-bodies and Mustangs was silly?
Considering the stock clutch in this car has over 83k miles, you're wrong on that too. It's not as strong as it was 60k miles ago, but it's got some life left in it. And ricer flybys are usually done on the freeway from what I've seen, so you "usually walk them in" when you're cruising in 6th gear? Good luck with that. It hardly takes ANY time to downshift, sounds like you're just lazy.

scottHMT

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sorry but that is extremely wrong, they are slow as *****, but a properly setup turbo one with a nice tune can make upwards of 550-600hp if the owner has the ***** to push it.

Wesmanw02

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Yep. 6th or 5th gear. When I was doing backroad runs with my friend in his STI, I was right behind him the entire time and I never downshifted below 4th gear. He was rowing gears like a madman, in most turns he had to go down to 2nd to keep it on the boost. Once again, the benefits of a fat powerband.

Irunelevens

I can think of more than one S2000 around that's over 500rwhp with EVERYTHING on the motor stock. Even has the stock headgasket (some people run a thicker headgasket to effectively lower compression).

Wesmanw02

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You obviously didn't read what I said.

You aren't making anything close to 550-600HP without completely rebuilding the motor with forged internals and the works, which is extremely costly.

Irunelevens

For one, I wasn't aware that backroad runs were "ricer flybys." If that same STi had been charging hard in 3rd gear going 75-80mph and flew past you, you wouldn't be catching him if you stayed in 5th or 6th gear. An LS1 has more power, but not THAT much more.

Irunelevens

Internals are forged from the factory

Wesmanw02

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And I can go out and get a Procharger and put down 700WHP like its nothing, doesn't mean ****. No 2.0 4 banger pushing that kind of power without being fully built is going to last very long at all.

Wesmanw02

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5th gear at 75 or 80MPH against an STI in 3rd?? No problem. I know because I've done it.

6th, probably not.

Irunelevens

You sound like the kind of tool that always pulls out the "Well let me slap a blower on my Trans Am, and then see how that Cobra does" argument. But I would LOVE to see a stock LS1 run 700rwhp for any amount of time.

Wesmanw02

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Thats what I JUST ******* SAID. Putting down the power DOESN'T MEAN **** if its not going to hold it for any sustainable period of time. Hence my example. Learn to comprehend.

Irunelevens

You're one to talk about comprehension .

Ice78Transam

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Yeah, I have. While thats true, in some respects I have launched an STi so hard that it made me believe in christ. If you shift properly an 04-05 STi will hold onto boost though the 1-2. That damn car was reckless fast. They have an incredible rush of power compared to the LS1's torque 'table'.

Boy do I love my LS1/RWD though.

so in the end, you win.

Irunelevens

I would love it if my car had a V6 or V8. But it doesn't. And at this point, handling is more important to me than a ton of torque. The convertible part is a big plus too.