LT1 vs Cobra
02-23-2009, 01:41 PM
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I'm gunna have to say thats some BS, there are quiet a few Bolt-on LT1's in the 12's. Did your car run 12's from the factory in 'Stone cold dealership stock form'?
plain and simple. Stone cold dealership stock, I was making bolt-on LT1 fbods look like fools on the street, and on the track.
02-23-2009, 02:52 PM
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Nice kill, My 95 Z28 run a 13.3 on nitto nt555 street tires, babying it out the hole by the previous owner. It is just bolt ons and 373 gears. With drag radials or slicks, and not breaking the rearend i think it could run high 12's.
02-23-2009, 04:08 PM
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02-23-2009, 05:12 PM
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I won't even go there.I know anything can happen on the street. But how is it that a stock LT1 with 275-285 horsepower {depending what year} beat a stock 01 Cobra with 320 horsepower. LT1's weigh basically the same as those year Mustangs. Yes, I know there's the driver mod. But I'm talking about car against car.
Dig up some dyno numbers on stock 6-speed LT1s and '99/01 Cobras. You'll find comparable horsepower, but with the LT1 making more torque. Such Mustangs typically dyno about the same power and torque. For what it's worth, F-bodies usually make every bit the power the Corvettes do, but play victim to GM's ratings game. They're 300 horsepower cars.
I dug up some dyno's, I couldn't find but one on the LT1. It was 253.xx hp./ 281.xx tq. For the 01' Cobra, I found 276.xx hp., 270.xx/ 290.xx tq., and 266.xx hp. Also, the Cobra that had 270.xx hp./ 290 tq. ran a 13.5 @ 105 in the quarter. The best I've ever heard of a LT1 is 13.9x. I had a 97' Z28, the best I had was 14.1. That was with a CAI. A LT1 doesn't look like it stacks up to a01' Cobra to me. And no, I'm not a Ford fanboy. I have a 2002 Camaro SS.
There's a pretty good list in the LTX section.
I mentioned how close a 6-speed LT1 and '99/01 Cobra can be on a dyno. Take it for what you may.
Tread lightly on that one kid.
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02-23-2009, 05:13 PM
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I think that was the whole point of TRMach1's post, even if there are bolt-on LT1s in the 12s. His car was STOCK and ran a 13.1. Bullet's car was bolt-ons and 3.73s and ran a 13.3. PNY's car was bolt-ons and a small cam and ran a 13.0. Mach 1's are clearly the faster cars stock. So all the people with stock or near stock LT1s that say they beat Mach 1s all the time have their heads up their asses, or are running A4 Machs.
02-23-2009, 05:16 PM
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02-23-2009, 05:22 PM
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why should i "tread lightly?" im just stating that iv never been beat by a mach 1. dont have to go all ford nuthuggin an ****. at this point im not really worried about the majority of them and wouldnt hesitate to race one i saw on the street. they could very well be faster than my car stock, but we will never no now.
02-23-2009, 05:22 PM
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I think that was the whole point of TRMach1's post, even if there are bolt-on LT1s in the 12s. His car was STOCK and ran a 13.1. Bullet's car was bolt-ons and 3.73s and ran a 13.3. PNY's car was bolt-ons and a small cam and ran a 13.0. Mach 1's are clearly the faster cars stock. So all the people with stock or near stock LT1s that say they beat Mach 1s all the time have their heads up their asses, or are running A4 Machs.
and for the record, im almost positive if my tranny wasn't slipping and i could hook worth beans, i'd be in the high 12's easy, Bolt on A4.
02-23-2009, 05:25 PM
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again i'll admitt my ignorance in a way, but then again we could say then that LS1's are known for high 12's and i hate saying that. I was going along the lines of i dont think the average driver in a Mach 1 would pull a 13.1 very regularily.
good to learn about the enemy thou
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02-23-2009, 05:29 PM
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why should i "tread lightly?" im just stating that iv never been beat by a mach 1. dont have to go all ford nuthuggin an ****. at this point im not really worried about the majority of them and wouldnt hesitate to race one i saw on the street. they could very well be faster than my car stock, but we will never no now.
You're a lame *** for that comment alone.Of course you're not worried, you're full bolt on and cammed. Of course, if you 'weren't worried' try being a man and go from a dig and none of this wussy "MY 10 bolt's going to break" after talking ****. YOu wanna be humble that's cool, but come on....seriously you're talking crap with a cammed, bolt on LT1 against a stock mach and won't go from a dig against any car?...
ANd Great job bragging on killing a new owner there Cool Guy. I hate arrogance no matter what they're driving but your attitude doesnt' seem to be all the better.
ohh i totally agree stock for stock the Mach 1 should completely destroy the LT1, but with bolt-on's they are a good race for near stock Mach 1.
and for the record, im almost positive if my tranny wasn't slipping and i could hook worth beans, i'd be in the high 12's easy, Bolt on A4.
and for the record, im almost positive if my tranny wasn't slipping and i could hook worth beans, i'd be in the high 12's easy, Bolt on A4.
02-23-2009, 05:36 PM
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im not talking **** about anything. ur the one gettin all defensive. i never said all mach1s are slow, or anything of the nature. they can be a decent race at times.
if you read the whole post, it was the guy in the cobra talking ****, not me. pnyklr-ta isnt talking any **** either. why is it every time a mustang gets beat in the kill section, you have to jump in and defend it?
if you read the whole post, it was the guy in the cobra talking ****, not me. pnyklr-ta isnt talking any **** either. why is it every time a mustang gets beat in the kill section, you have to jump in and defend it?
02-23-2009, 05:37 PM
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haha thanks.
again i'll admitt my ignorance in a way, but then again we could say then that LS1's are known for high 12's and i hate saying that. I was going along the lines of i dont think the average driver in a Mach 1 would pull a 13.1 very regularily.
good to learn about the enemy thou
Thanks
again i'll admitt my ignorance in a way, but then again we could say then that LS1's are known for high 12's and i hate saying that. I was going along the lines of i dont think the average driver in a Mach 1 would pull a 13.1 very regularily.
good to learn about the enemy thou
Thanks
high 12s is more common in an M6 LS Fbod that's for sure...I'll admit that first. But, we talkin' bout bolt on LTs FOO~!...
how's the GF thing going........
02-23-2009, 05:42 PM
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im not talking **** about anything. ur the one gettin all defensive. i never said all mach1s are slow, or anything of the nature. they can be a decent race at times.
if you read the whole post, it was the guy in the cobra talking ****, not me. pnyklr-ta isnt talking any **** either. why is it every time a mustang gets beat in the kill section, you have to jump in and defend it?
if you read the whole post, it was the guy in the cobra talking ****, not me. pnyklr-ta isnt talking any **** either. why is it every time a mustang gets beat in the kill section, you have to jump in and defend it?
As for pnyklr-ta (BEN).....I consider him a friend of mine and I'm just f'ing with him...again, if you read my posts you'd have seen that.
Regards to my comments to you, your context seemed that machs are no problem simply because you might have beaten one or two...you have given no details to any of those cars or races aside from 'I've had no problems before my cam'. Even if you had, one or two is certainly not the norm.
And I agree the cobra guy was arrogant and ignorant. I mean WHTF rev's, talks crap and doesn't want to race?..A TOOL!. And you said why...he came from a civic background.