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Old 06-07-2009, 05:57 PM
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i was crusin with my buddy today and spoted a new c6 i thought it was an ls2 so i didint think id have a problem. i pulled up next to him and gave him the jump thinking its the ls2, well he drops in down a gear it was a 6 speed and hits it with me right after from a 40 roll. he was out about a car and a half and we ran up to 120 with him about a car ahead im like **** its gotta be an ls3. so next time we line up again from a 40 and hit it on 3, i ran it up to about 110 top of 3rd and shut down with me about a car and a half ahead. last race was from a 20 roll i just put nittos on so i knew id hook 3 beeps and were off i slam second and prayed my 10 bolt would hold hit 3rd and ran it to about 90-100 with me 3 cars ahead. i have mods in sig and i had me 200lbs my friend 230lbs and the t tops off he said it was a stock m6 and he was by himself, i have to say they are impressive. i would like to run him without my buddy and the t tops on i know id have a better outcome
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I wouldnt be so confident about beating down LS2 Vettes. They have gone low 12s stock at 115 + mph.
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W/ your mods, I would say definitely not LS3... Unless you're not telling something...

You got a C6 vette kill tho.
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If his car is a strong cam only car and trapping 116mph+, it can happen..
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i made 415rwhp on a dynojet so i think pulling a car with 370 even though its lighter right
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Who knows... Its the street and you said it was a manual so you never know. I made 380 on a Mustang dyno and know I can drive. I never would have pulled a LS3. I don't even know if I would have pulled a LS2 like that. The only vette I ever raced was my buddies and I pulled like 3 cars from 50-100 on his LS1 tuned/intake vette.

Who knows, either way. Good kill on the new vette. You know that **** has to hurt his feelings...
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Nice races, what do you trap? Just asking because the average well driven LS3 vette should do between 116-118, I've seen a couple 119 runs including the guy who holds the record for the fastest stock LS3 @ 11.71@119.94mph.

Anyway, it's all in the driver. I'm not going to speculate as to whether or not it really was an LS3, or if the guy could drive or not.

Just for reference, here's a quick vid to show what they are capable of in almost stock form. All I have done is a Vararam and a ported TB. The car I raced in this vid ran consistant 12.3s@ over 116mph multiple times. Watch closely and you'll see he jumps me, and I have a passenger. Run was from a 60 roll on in 3rd gear, and no he did not let out of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQMlU_SHBps
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Originally Posted by BRIAN98Z28
Nice races, what do you trap? Just asking because the average well driven LS3 vette should do between 116-118, I've seen a couple 119 runs including the guy who holds the record for the fastest stock LS3 @ 11.71@119.94mph.

Anyway, it's all in the driver. I'm not going to speculate as to whether or not it really was an LS3, or if the guy could drive or not.

Just for reference, here's a quick vid to show what they are capable of in almost stock form. All I have done is a Vararam and a ported TB. The car I raced in this vid ran consistant 12.3s@ over 116mph multiple times. Watch closely and you'll see he jumps me, and I have a passenger. Run was from a 60 roll on in 3rd gear, and no he did not let out of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQMlU_SHBps

just trying to clarify because i don't know much about the new vettes...are you saying that a bone stock C6 vette did 11.71?
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a cam only m6 t/a making 415 can trap 116-120 ive never been to the track but its somewhere between that range
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Originally Posted by ODUB
just trying to clarify because i don't know much about the new vettes...are you saying that a bone stock C6 vette did 11.71?
Yes, there have been 3 or 4 LS3 cars that have dipped into the 11s bone stock, the fastest being 11.71@119.94mph. LS3 vettes are a good bit faster than their LS2 counterparts, especially from a highway roll on. The L92 heads as we all know, are just that good right out of the box. I believe this is largely the reason why these cars are so fast at higher speeds.

Originally Posted by therobman
a cam only m6 t/a making 415 can trap 116-120 ive never been to the track but its somewhere between that range
Yeah I know what they are capable of, just was wondering if you had ever tracked yours. A well driven LS3 vette should be on par with your car, key word "should." And as we all know, so many variables come into play in a race on the street that I will just say congrats, you took the win and that's all that matters!

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LS3's running 11.70s?! i thought C6Z's were only good for about 11.4's..
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Originally Posted by violent_celerity
LS3's running 11.70s?! i thought C6Z's were only good for about 11.4's..
And that's if they're REALLY good drivers.
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Originally Posted by violent_celerity
LS3's running 11.70s?! i thought C6Z's were only good for about 11.4's..
One guy hit a 10.9 with one once. It's all in the driver. Your average driver should be able to get an 11.4 or so out of a C6 Z06 with a few runs under his belt. A really good driver will hit low 11s all day (again, really good driver). Keep in mind that 11.71 out of an LS3 (assuming that is correct, I haven't personally seen it but I wouldn't be surprised) was a one time thing out of the probably million times they've been down the track. From what I've seen, your average driver in them is good for mid-low 12s and a really good driver is bottom 12s, maybe a high 11.

BUT, it also depends on track, weather, DA, etc. That's one of the biggest factors people don't take into consideration.

Nice kill, OP. I ran one of them last year. Brand new, white, A6, from 60-140 and I only put maybe 1 1/2 to 2 cars on them (probably trapping about what you would). They are definitely strong as hell. An M6 would have done better from what I hear but that brings into consideration the driver when it's a six speed manual.
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i dunno man, i'm going to need some proof for that one. the 2006 C6's with 400hp were good for 12.7's, and now with only 30-36hp more, they are at 11.7? that seems like a bit of a stretch.

Edit: I stand corrected. did some searching, and they are just a lot faster than i thought they were. found a stock LS2 that did 12.21 (didn't know that was possible), and i found the video of the LS3 that did 11.71. nuts.

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Originally Posted by ODUB
i dunno man, i'm going to need some proof for that one. the 2006 C6's with 400hp were good for 12.7's, and now with only 30-36hp more, they are at 11.7? that seems like a bit of a stretch.

Edit: I stand corrected. did some searching, and they are just a lot faster than i thought they were. found a stock LS2 that did 12.21 (didn't know that was possible), and i found the video of the LS3 that did 11.71. nuts.
haha, was about to reply until I saw the edited version. It really is all in the driver, **** it's like someone saying an LS1 f body "can" run 12s because one or two of them did, and we all know they MOSTLY run lower to mid 13s.

The simple fact is that unless you are a maniac who has enough time to practice A LOT, you're not going to be extracting the full potential out of any of these cars.

The 11.71@119.94 run for the LS3 is about the equal of the C6Z running the 10.90s on stock tires, yes it happened, but it's not the norm. As someone else said, most of the GOOD times are between 12.1-12.3 or so for the LS3 cars, some better, some worse.
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Originally Posted by BRIAN98Z28
haha, was about to reply until I saw the edited version. It really is all in the driver, **** it's like someone saying an LS1 f body "can" run 12s because one or two of them did, and we all know they MOSTLY run lower to mid 13s.

The simple fact is that unless you are a maniac who has enough time to practice A LOT, you're not going to be extracting the full potential out of any of these cars.

The 11.71@119.94 run for the LS3 is about the equal of the C6Z running the 10.90s on stock tires, yes it happened, but it's not the norm. As someone else said, most of the GOOD times are between 12.1-12.3 or so for the LS3 cars, some better, some worse.
i didn't think the LS2's were that fast either. mainly because i raced one a while back, from a roll, and had him by about a car and a half until about 120 or so and he started to reel me in, but we had to shut it down because of traffic. when we shut it down i was still a car ahead or so. i kind of figured i'd beaten the driver, not the car...now i know for sure that i did lol the best i ran with a decent launch and a boost leak was 12.82 @ 107.41 (got a thread all about it). so with what you guys say the LS2's are trapping, i know he should have beaten me. with a better launch, and without the boost leak, i think the car could have gone 12.5-12.6 and maybe picked up a couple mph on the trap speed, but that still wouldn't have been enough to win from a roll...would have been very close though. looks like i'm going to have to mod my car after all lol when i have the time i'm going to try to make it back to the drag strip to see what my car can do now with the same mods, but without the boost leak and with 128,000 miles instead of the 50,000 it had on it the first time i went to the drag strip.



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