Juts_Camaro

Was heading home from work down the turnpike and I ran into a red 08 GT with a black racing stripe that was just cruising in the right lane.. Being the mature adult that I am I got beside him downshifted and gave him a lil grunt as i went past him and just kept moving through traffic.

Few miles down the road he comes back up beside me and lines up, so I downshift again and wait for him to make a move, after a few peddle movements back and forth he floors and grabs a quarter car on me by the time I get on it.. I look up and notice we got about a 1/8 mile before we hit traffic, I look at my guage seeing 120, I look back over at the mustang and im pulling him pretty good.. I get him about a car length by the time I shut it down and get back to cruising speed behind traffic.

He comes up beside me again and I hear him yelling something but its dark so I cant see him and its the turnpike with traffic and already doing 80 something, so I have no idea if he's excited or mad.. but he keeps pace with me thru some more traffic till I get about 2 miles from my exit and theres a small gap in traffic again where he comes up beside me. A pretty even start this time as I just pull on him right off and slam him a good car length before I leave off.

I dont like racing on the turnpike because of the traffic, I would hate for anything to happen... but it was fun, I never got to race one till then so I was pretty happy that my pretty much stock camaro handed even the new mustangs.

Now I just wanna roll on a charger

acammer

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Nice kill - I took my first 05+ Mustang about 2wks ago, its nice knowing the GM's of yesteryear still have it when it comes to taking it to the Stangs.

jawsgt

i guess ppl dont know how to drive there mustangs. if someone loses to an almost stock lt1 they just need to not have a quick car. my 07 stock with 300 miles on it ran 13.6@104

blackhawk0251

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You wont have any problem with a charger. I doubt you would have a big issue with an SRT either. I raped a charger not long back.. I was crusing west on Hwy 98 and I had my friends sister riding with me and appearantly she knew the guy driving the charger so she set me up the race. Im an auto so I dropped it into 2 and started at 40..3 honks and I made sure he punched it, then I punched it and left his *** so hard it wasnt even funny, that was back when the SS was stock. His car was just a regular R/T.

acammer

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I thought the general concensus was a 2005+ 'Stang GT vs. an M6 LT1 was a drivers race, they are both a mid/high 13 car - agreed?

Newskool Mach

I gotta say that Mustang guy probably needed a driver mod. Good kill OP.

Juts_Camaro

I think it was an automatic, because he didnt really line up to well, now mines an automatic but I know to down shift to get the Rev's up so it doesnt drop down a gear and is instant on WOT.

He would WOT it then leave off cause i guess he didnt want me to get a head start. So yeah he was a bit confusing of a driver.

Bugsy

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[QUOTE=Newskool Mach;11939589]I gotta say that Mustang guy probably needed a driver mod. Good kill OP.

Agreed. A stock M5 3-valve has got a stock or near-stock M6 LT1 outgunned.

acammer

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Hmm... the Fords got a 15hp advantage and a 15ft/lb torque deficet, more peak power, less area under the curve, same/similar weights, I'd say they are pretty even, its defintely a drivers race, and even a bolt on or two ("near stock" - we'll say intake and exhaust) erases any hp advantage the 3-valve may have had on paper, and still makes more power down low.

Bugsy

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I'm talking real-world, not "on paper." Can't put too much faith in those factory HP ratings. On paper, stone stock M6 LS1s can't lay down 300-plus to the wheels, but in the real world, many of them do. I'd consider the '99-'04GTs and the LT1s to be a driver's race, but the 3-valves are a different story. They're a nice step up from the 2-valves.

acammer

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From what I understand, a stock LT1 M6 puts about 240hp to the rear wheels stock, and the new Stang does about 255 to the wheels through an M5. Does that sound about right for real world numbers? I'm asking, not being a smart *** - maybe I don't have that right. But if thats pretty close, 15rwhp is a drivers race, agreed? Take that totally stock LT1 and make it near stock as you suggest, and defintely have a pretty even playing field.

brian06eleanor

mine layed down 268rwhp bonestock, and 302rwhp with a cai, exhaust, and tune

acammer

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Geez, not bad. Is that pretty common - almost 270rwhp on a stock 3valve? Did you 1/4 mile it when it was stock, I'd be curious about the trap speed - they seem to do pretty good on the far end of the track.

Bugsy

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I have 2 friends with M5 3-valves, both 2006s. Bone stock, they both dynoed in the lower 270s. One, I specifically remember, was 271, the other was somewhere between 270 and 275, can't remember for sure. Both responded very well to mods, though.

brian06eleanor

ya i did. i ran a 13.6 @103 consistantly. with the intake, exhaust, tune, and ud pulleys i trapped almost 108

acammer

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Not bad - at all. So it sounds like a stock 3valve and intake/exhaust LT1 should be a real good match - weight in about the same, and have pretty close rwhp numbers.

For what its worth, I did some research in the LT1 form, plenty of guys were make ~250rwhp on stock LT1's, and into the ~270 with intake/exhaust (not headers) type mods.

Juts_Camaro

im confused with all this talk of an LT1.... I have an LS1

acammer

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JawsGT brought the LT1 into the conversation.

An LS1 car should still have a 3v Stang beat stock for stock.

ccxxxxxxx

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Agreed!!! Hey OP sounds right to me. I had the exact same race a couple weeks ago with pretty much same results. My mods are SLP LM Catback, Lid w/ K&N A4

HioSSilver

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I always take the fords rwhp #'s and subtract 50 to get to how they run in the "real world". Just my theory.