Originally Posted by Killemall

I just wont hit it hard in second gear at 55 mph in the Viper..Im not even sure if it's worth it or not to do it...Sure it hits amazingly hard...But then you have to shift to third before 75 mph..That shift takes time...And is easily missed...

Originally Posted by Killemall

I intentionally leave it in third gear even though were going 55 mph and I can hit 58 mph in first gear...

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

Now I'm no Viper expert but you said your 1st gear goes to 58mph...



Now you are saying hitting it in 2nd gear at 55mph would be very short.

And what does your car trap in the 1/4th? You are making it sound like its too much to handle on the street. How does a 3rd gear shift "take time" and is "easily missed"?

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

Now I'm no Viper expert but you said your 1st gear goes to 58mph...



Now you are saying hitting it in 2nd gear at 55mph would be very short.

And what does your car trap in the 1/4th? You are making it sound like its too much to handle on the street. How does a 3rd gear shift "take time" and is "easily missed"?

Originally Posted by Killemall

You have now crossed the line ..It is quite evidant at this point that you are just highly upset that I raped a 90's mustang that in some way reminds you of your car...

One day you will run a a viper and perhaps proceed to have a close run or even a victory...While Imagining this Viper is Killemall with a scorned look on your face you will give out a low grumbled laugh that turns into a roar of excitement as you stand up for 20 years of the mustang haveing it's *** handed all in an instant...

ON THAT DAY YOU WILL POST YOUR STORY AND I WILL BE THEIR TO SUPPORT YOU...I WILL NOT WHINE/COMPLAIN OR TAKE AWAY FROM THE GREAT TIME YOU HAD

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not going to start into a bitch slap fest with you because that is pointless. Like I said, good kill. I was just trying to make sense of what you did. The way your story comes out makes it seem like you felt that your friend with the Cobra is less of a person because he doesn't have a Viper.

Originally Posted by baalic

And then he has 10 guys with ricer cars who beat the cobra in a race who think they can beat the Viper and yet again more money in the pocket after the bets are made...... It's not ignorant, its economics....and it doesn't make the sport harder at all, let people think what they like and put their money where their mouth is......

((edit I forgot your a Stang guy so this is probably an open wound* to you.....replace above Cobra with Supra for sake of arguments then!! LOL))

Originally Posted by odarabla

Can I ask what an open would is? Is this some new street talk that I haven't heard yet or something? And I have to side with pony on this one!! Not talking about the OP but people like you are the reason I stopped street racing!! It's called lying!! Why not be honest about your car and let the best man win? I hate the guy who acts all about his ****, says he doesn't spray it but has a hidden sneaky kit under the hood!! WTF
Street racing has become more about who can hide the most **** about there cars and steal the other persons money!! Thats not racing it's cheating!!


To the OP!! Hell of a race my man and 1 hell of a nice viper!! Like I said in the past I would love to hook up with that thing and give it a go!!

Originally Posted by baalic

My browser likes to automatically "fix" typos with what it thinks I meant to say...it has been fixed to "wound" and...

There is NO SUCH THING as cheating when it comes to racing, winning is winning period when it comes to racing unless you crash somone out of a race or sabotage their car. The only people that get but hurt are people who lose their money because they didn't do their homework.... And in this case, Viper vs Old school Cobra.... Seriously now...the outcome was going to be pretty obvious at least the OP tried to help even the odds a little bit...

Just like in Pinks when they give them 10 car lengths, is the one taking 10 car's cheating??? Nope cause that's the race they agreed upon, if he looses cause he gave the guy 10, that's his fault. If you loose to someone because you didn't know they were going to spray or that they had a fully built car, that's your fault and its not cheating. Sandbagging while I admit can be kinda lame, doesn't equal cheating imo. Because if you built a faster car then them it will show period and THAT is what the sport is about, building a faster car then your neighbor not bitching that he cheated because he sprayed...

Originally Posted by baalic

Well...if your unsure don't race for cash. And remember their is always someone with a faster car. If this said individual would have told you, "ya I'm running a 650 hp machine and My weight is 2600lbs and that's without my spray" Would you have dared to race him?? Sounds more like that guy just didn't tell "all" of his story not that he necessarily lied. It's always best to leave something to the imagination and after a win or loss then get into more details about the build...because after a win/loss is usually apparent who had the better car...

Originally Posted by FlashLCD33

What an absolutely pointless thread.

I agree with pony.

Originally Posted by Killemall

HMMM.....GUYS....I UNDER STAND WHERE SOME OF YOU ARE COMING FROM BUT PLEASE HERE ME OUT FOR A SECOND

The first thing I would like to point out is that I didnt try to let him think that he could hang with the Viper...The races were I started in third gear...He was beside me for a few seconds and then got obliterated...

I called him and told him that I had been starting in third and was gonna start in 4th the last run...

before we even did the first race he wanted to go from lower speeds...I explained to him that hitting it in second gear on my Viper is not somthing I want to do on public roads ....Hence why my runs were 3rd gear and on the freeway


The reality is that I have wrecked two vipers being in second gear at 50-70 mph and the hitting it off the third beep while street raceing . Once while raceing a c6Z06 and once while raceing a GTS Viper.....People wreck STOCK 410 rwhp 450 rwt 1996-2002 Vipers ALL THE TIME...The tourque on these things is insane...My Viper is around 500 rwhp and over 500 rwt...

Just isnt worth me posibly loosing it over a car I should take no prblem

So please dont think I was trying to let him think I he was hanging with a viper and that he will tell the story that way ect. and 100 new ricers will be born who think they can hang with a viper...This was not my intent...My intent was self preservation



As to the people saying my kill is lame...I wish I could run in to lambo's ferraris...vettes...vipers....camaros...03 cobras amg mercedes ect. I really wish it happened like that..I saw a new red ss camaro on the freeway and I revved on him 5 times over 3 miles and he wouldnt buldge..I ran into a white 2010 SS camaro (BEAUTIFUL) at a gas station and he was all about cars but didnt want to run...

point is that a cobra kill to me is worthy of a post..Cobra has that history to it IMHO....Some of you run 11's at 117 mph all day or faster...If you ran into a 1992 Viper with 400 crank HP that runs 13.0 at 110 mph...Would you post up about it...sure it never had a chance but their is some history their right

Thats the way I feel about running a cobra..Pretty kool

Originally Posted by Killemall

newschool mach...awesome vid..woulda guessed the low elevin...but never the 123 mph trapp speed through an auto with just 440 rwhp...those gears must really wake her up

Originally Posted by Newskool Mach

Thanks man I actually went 11.1 at almost 125 a couple of weeks ago. Temp in the Dyno room was 96 degrees. It was about 36 when I ran it in that video. It might have had a few more hp at the track.

Mike (PonyGT65) helped me along the way to almost 10's .Have to give credit where credit is due.LOL

Originally Posted by Newskool Mach

Thanks man I actually went 11.1 at almost 125 a couple of weeks ago. Temp in the Dyno room was 96 degrees. It was about 36 when I ran it in that video. It might have had a few more hp at the track.

Mike (PonyGT65) helped me along the way to almost 10's .Have to give credit where credit is due.LOL

Originally Posted by baalic

@ Pony GT.. The street racing was brought up because of the mention of "cheating" and such....and me saying their is no such thing as cheating basically and if your racing for cash is the only time it really would be an issue... And also while I agree that the lengths are STUPID, it was only to solidify my point that racing is racing regardless of what gears or if you sandbag, and winning is still winning.... This post pretty much sums up my entire case for this...so by all means disregard ever other post..

Originally Posted by Bitemark46

Love car though. Vipers always look distinctive on the streets.

-Mark

Originally Posted by JayplaySS2

A kill is a kill, no matter how unmatched it is.

Originally Posted by ponygt65

Thanks Carl. I've always appreciated the credit you give me.


It's cool man. I don't hold grudges....especially internet ones. Life too short for simple differences of views.