BS thread - 2011 GT 11.80's @ 118 with bolt ons
05-07-2010, 07:03 PM
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My beef with mustangs is that they were pretty gutless from the factory, at least compared to f-bodies...now that they've got some teeth i'll show them the respect they deserve.
*sigh* Well, we f-cars had a good run. Ten years on the top of the pile isn't to shabby for an extinct car.
Caveat: I say ten years because I don't count the 03-04 cobras. Don't get me wrong, they were sweet cars, and friggin fast too, but there were so few of them compared to run-of-the-mill mustangs that they're more like outliers than valid considerations.
*sigh* Well, we f-cars had a good run. Ten years on the top of the pile isn't to shabby for an extinct car.
Caveat: I say ten years because I don't count the 03-04 cobras. Don't get me wrong, they were sweet cars, and friggin fast too, but there were so few of them compared to run-of-the-mill mustangs that they're more like outliers than valid considerations.
05-07-2010, 07:17 PM
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It really doesn't make sense, but think what you want..
05-07-2010, 07:28 PM
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I'm discounting them because there were very few of them. Comparing a high volume mass production car like the f-body to a low volume production car like the cobra is apples to oranges...at least if you believe in statistics (personally, i think its all made up...what can you do tho right?)
05-07-2010, 08:16 PM
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that was good. 
sounds like you need to take you're own advice. And GOSH DANG that "you're on LS1tech" is pretty lame. Especially given the below..........
Yeah, until the word "import" comes into play. But there are some people here who are actually automotive enthusiasts rather than fan boys, which I do appreciate.
The new mustang sounds like a beast, but modifications are going to be difficult beyond bolt-ons and tuning. A DOHC cam swap makes me cringe in terms of cost/benefit.
The new mustang sounds like a beast, but modifications are going to be difficult beyond bolt-ons and tuning. A DOHC cam swap makes me cringe in terms of cost/benefit.
I'm discounting them because there were very few of them. Comparing a high volume mass production car like the f-body to a low volume production car like the cobra is apples to oranges...at least if you believe in statistics (personally, i think its all made up...what can you do tho right?)
05-07-2010, 08:27 PM
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in 2004:
total mustangs = 141907
mach 1 = 7182
cobra = 5664
in all, cobras make up less than 4% off all mustangs sold in 2004...that is surprising to me actually, i was thinking it was closer to ten
sorry, i dont have the v6 figures on hand
total mustangs = 141907
mach 1 = 7182
cobra = 5664
in all, cobras make up less than 4% off all mustangs sold in 2004...that is surprising to me actually, i was thinking it was closer to ten
sorry, i dont have the v6 figures on hand
05-07-2010, 08:31 PM
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50whp out of boltons and a hand held tuner seems like a done deal. I can't wait to run into these things around town (Bolt on I6 3.0 liter FI vs Bolt on 5.0 NA V8, should both be at 420whp at almost the same weight). I had a '68 fastback 302, 3sp manual about 20 years ago.
05-07-2010, 08:56 PM
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I'm discounting them because there were very few of them. Comparing a high volume mass production car like the f-body to a low volume production car like the cobra is apples to oranges...at least if you believe in statistics (personally, i think its all made up...what can you do tho right?)
The reality is that if you discount '03 / '04 Cobras, you're likely to get your
*** stomped by one someday...statistically speaking of course.
I'll reserve my opinion of the '11 Mustang until I actually drive one since
I'm not big on bench racing.
05-07-2010, 09:15 PM
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edit-just read the second article. They picked up 42RWHP from just a tune and a catback!
05-07-2010, 09:27 PM
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They are definitely no slouch. I'm still waiting for Ford to put a bigger motor in those cars. Obviously they're just showing that they can get a lot out of a small motor in stock factory form, but everyone already knows it's possible. I think they should step it up in CI.
just like the mach runs so close yet only has to have 281ci to do it
of course, JMO
cool read though
p.s...i haven't seen the new camaro hit these numbers yet and it has a freakin 6.2...lame!
05-07-2010, 10:20 PM
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As an engineer, I can tell you that statistics can be manipulated to give you whatever result you'd like to see...just look at the government polls.
The reality is that if you discount '03 / '04 Cobras, you're likely to get your
*** stomped by one someday...statistically speaking of course.
I'll reserve my opinion of the '11 Mustang until I actually drive one since
I'm not big on bench racing.
The reality is that if you discount '03 / '04 Cobras, you're likely to get your
*** stomped by one someday...statistically speaking of course.
I'll reserve my opinion of the '11 Mustang until I actually drive one since
I'm not big on bench racing.
As for racing cobras, I take comfort in being a bit of an outlier myself
05-07-2010, 10:20 PM
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http://www.muscularmustangs.com/2005/svtcobraprod03.php
03 was more than double 04.
Mach's
http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...p?s=&forumid=3
and as you can see, Unit is correct that production numbers get thrown all over the place. I also guess by your standards the Z06 should never be considered in anything given it's production numbers.
What about SS's and WS6s vs. all fbods? Even better how about Firehawks? WHere do you draw the line? Fact is, the cobra was a factory production vehicle and I agree with 92builtbird.
05-07-2010, 10:26 PM
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funny you should bring that up, i never even look at 2003. but even then my original guess was pretty accurate at ~10%
and fwiw, i dont consider the zo6 unless i'm talking specifically about the zo6. "corvette" is to broad a moniker to include cars with various performance characteristics from the base vettes all the way up to the zr1 - to imprecise for me.
i do, however, consider SS's and WS6's because while numbers may vary, their specifications are much more similar to base trans am's and z28's than cobras are to GTs.
red apples to green apples vice apples to oranges. i understand how that could be confusing tho.
pony: you also over looked that fact that there were more mustangs produced overall in 2003, not just more cobras. this also drives the percentage down...to around 9%, i was still being too generous
for your reference (dont worry, i did the addition for you):
151328 mustangs
13776 cobras
= 9.1%
and fwiw, i dont consider the zo6 unless i'm talking specifically about the zo6. "corvette" is to broad a moniker to include cars with various performance characteristics from the base vettes all the way up to the zr1 - to imprecise for me.
i do, however, consider SS's and WS6's because while numbers may vary, their specifications are much more similar to base trans am's and z28's than cobras are to GTs.
red apples to green apples vice apples to oranges. i understand how that could be confusing tho.
pony: you also over looked that fact that there were more mustangs produced overall in 2003, not just more cobras. this also drives the percentage down...to around 9%, i was still being too generous
for your reference (dont worry, i did the addition for you):
151328 mustangs
13776 cobras
= 9.1%
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05-07-2010, 10:29 PM
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funny you should bring that up, i never even look at 2003. but even then my original guess was pretty accurate at ~10%
and fwiw, i dont consider the zo6 unless i'm talking specifically about the zo6. "corvette" is to broad a moniker to include cars with various performance characteristics from the base vettes all the way up to the zr1 - to imprecise for me.
i do, however, consider SS's and WS6's because while numbers may vary, their specifications are much more similar to base trans ams and z28 than cobras are to GTs.
red apples to green apples vice apples to oranges. i understand how that could be confusing tho.
and fwiw, i dont consider the zo6 unless i'm talking specifically about the zo6. "corvette" is to broad a moniker to include cars with various performance characteristics from the base vettes all the way up to the zr1 - to imprecise for me.
i do, however, consider SS's and WS6's because while numbers may vary, their specifications are much more similar to base trans ams and z28 than cobras are to GTs.
red apples to green apples vice apples to oranges. i understand how that could be confusing tho.
05-07-2010, 10:50 PM
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testy huh? come on now, there's no need for that. they're just numbers, nothing worth getting all wrapped around the axle about. that is, unless you have no numbers to make your own point with...in which case, headsmack away gibbs
catch that NCIS reference? i thought it might lighten your mood a bit
catch that NCIS reference? i thought it might lighten your mood a bit
05-07-2010, 11:32 PM
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testy huh? come on now, there's no need for that. they're just numbers, nothing worth getting all wrapped around the axle about. that is, unless you have no numbers to make your own point with...in which case, headsmack away gibbs
catch that NCIS reference? i thought it might lighten your mood a bit
catch that NCIS reference? i thought it might lighten your mood a bit
I'm not testy man. I just dont' think you are understand my point.....but it's cool. We all have our own opinion and sometimes different perceptions. 
05-08-2010, 12:57 AM
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but why? wouldnt it be so nice to have a bolt on 5.0 and kill a few cammed or bolt on only ls1's with over 40 less cubic inches
just like the mach runs so close yet only has to have 281ci to do it
of course, JMO
cool read though
p.s...i haven't seen the new camaro hit these numbers yet and it has a freakin 6.2...lame!
just like the mach runs so close yet only has to have 281ci to do it
of course, JMO
cool read though
p.s...i haven't seen the new camaro hit these numbers yet and it has a freakin 6.2...lame!
my stock 3.7 can out run with a mach1 whats your point
05-08-2010, 01:03 AM
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****.... Started as '11 Gt.... Then 03-4 Cobra... Then Zo6s.. Then Corvette... Then fbody....... Can anybody guess what is next?
2 Valve!!!!!!
Jay, you can't start a BS thread about mustangs... We have like 100000000 of those already. They never... Ever... Ever... Ever end.... Ever... Ever. Never ever....
2 Valve!!!!!!
Jay, you can't start a BS thread about mustangs... We have like 100000000 of those already.
They never... Ever... Ever... Ever end.... Ever... Ever. Never ever....