Witnessed: GTO vs 11 5.0
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That is blatantly wrong. The GTOs greatest point is its interior, it is far better then any mopars, or hell better then 99% of GMs even, I'm big on interiors so yea i know
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And i test drove a few SRT8 magnums (i love wagons) so i have something to compare it against, but the lack of a manual tranny took that car of my list.
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I am not going to lie i didn't read your post at all but this part stuck out.
That is blatantly wrong. The GTOs greatest point is its interior, it is far better then any mopars, or hell better then 99% of GMs even, I'm big on interiors so yea i know![Happy](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif)
And i test drove a few SRT8 magnums (i love wagons) so i have something to compare it against, but the lack of a manual tranny took that car of my list.
That is blatantly wrong. The GTOs greatest point is its interior, it is far better then any mopars, or hell better then 99% of GMs even, I'm big on interiors so yea i know
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And i test drove a few SRT8 magnums (i love wagons) so i have something to compare it against, but the lack of a manual tranny took that car of my list.
If the interior isn't better im sure it is close to equal and if the gto interior is anything like the f body interior in quality, i am not debating styling at all im talking about quality. The interior in the f-body cars is styled fine i like the look but it is rather cheap and flimsy and anyone that owns one knows what i mean. It is very similar to the interior quality of a fox body where the plastic cracks and fades or squeaks over time but not all do this as some people take better care of their cars and have a garage to keep it in also. The GTO interior i am not at all familiar with but i do know that mopars have pretty good quality products unless it is a dodge ram that has the all so frequent cracking and eroding dash pad.
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I am not going to lie i didn't read your post at all but this part stuck out.
That is blatantly wrong. The GTOs greatest point is its interior, it is far better then any mopars, or hell better then 99% of GMs even, I'm big on interiors so yea i know
But way to go making assumptions again.
And i test drove a few SRT8 magnums (i love wagons) so i have something to compare it against, but the lack of a manual tranny took that car of my list.
That is blatantly wrong. The GTOs greatest point is its interior, it is far better then any mopars, or hell better then 99% of GMs even, I'm big on interiors so yea i know
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And i test drove a few SRT8 magnums (i love wagons) so i have something to compare it against, but the lack of a manual tranny took that car of my list.
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And I am a die hard ls guy too.
This thread is WAAAAAY off topic now.. Interiors ... ?? How is the new 5.0 interior anyway?
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Well go read it!
If the interior isn't better im sure it is close to equal and if the gto interior is anything like the f body interior in quality, i am not debating styling at all im talking about quality. The interior in the f-body cars is styled fine i like the look but it is rather cheap and flimsy and anyone that owns one knows what i mean. It is very similar to the interior quality of a fox body where the plastic cracks and fades or squeaks over time but not all do this as some people take better care of their cars and have a garage to keep it in also. The GTO interior i am not at all familiar with but i do know that mopars have pretty good quality products unless it is a dodge ram that has the all so frequent cracking and eroding dash pad.
If the interior isn't better im sure it is close to equal and if the gto interior is anything like the f body interior in quality, i am not debating styling at all im talking about quality. The interior in the f-body cars is styled fine i like the look but it is rather cheap and flimsy and anyone that owns one knows what i mean. It is very similar to the interior quality of a fox body where the plastic cracks and fades or squeaks over time but not all do this as some people take better care of their cars and have a garage to keep it in also. The GTO interior i am not at all familiar with but i do know that mopars have pretty good quality products unless it is a dodge ram that has the all so frequent cracking and eroding dash pad.
Quality is top notch (not american)
Your not familiar but that doesnt stop you from making many wrong assumptions i see.
You do know really? Sebring, pacifica, caliber, haha those interiors have some quality garbage can plastic alright i will give it to you there.
And why bring fox bodies into this? Those are 20 year old domestic cars. No **** they will have shitty interiors and terrible interior quality. Guess what so do pre 2010 S197s
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The GTO interior is a night and day difference compared to any pre-2010 f-body. I have seen both the Gto's and the charger/challenger and the Gto has that wow factor and the charger/challenger is kinda like the new camaro its nice, but its just kinda there. I think they could have been better. The only thing i think the Gto lacks on interior is a navigation system. Now that ive shown how jealous I am of the quality of a Gto to my f-body.
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The GTO interior is a night and day difference compared to any pre-2010 f-body. I have seen both the Gto's and the charger/challenger and the Gto has that wow factor and the charger/challenger is kinda like the new camaro its nice, but its just kinda there. I think they could have been better. The only thing i think the Gto lacks on interior is a navigation system. Now that ive shown how jealous I am of the quality of a Gto to my f-body.
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Nothing like it, gto and f body are not comparable cars.
Quality is top notch (not american)
Your not familiar but that doesnt stop you from making many wrong assumptions i see.
You do know really? Sebring, pacifica, caliber, haha those interiors have some quality garbage can plastic alright i will give it to you there.
And why bring fox bodies into this? Those are 20 year old domestic cars. No **** they will have shitty interiors and terrible interior quality. Guess what so do pre 2010 S197s
*and im not assuming here, my dad had one for a while so first hand experience here no "well if its anything like this xxx"
Quality is top notch (not american)
Your not familiar but that doesnt stop you from making many wrong assumptions i see.
You do know really? Sebring, pacifica, caliber, haha those interiors have some quality garbage can plastic alright i will give it to you there.
And why bring fox bodies into this? Those are 20 year old domestic cars. No **** they will have shitty interiors and terrible interior quality. Guess what so do pre 2010 S197s
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Because i was using it to compare junk to junk.
My 2006 Has great interior, nothing is broken or squeaks and the seats are comfortable. My car has 80,000 miles and still rides great on the stock suspension.
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The top end models of the charger and challenger are surely better than the everyday cheaper base model that is most likely made from the same recycled pepsi bottles mentioned earlier.
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Once again read back and you will see that YOU brought up talking about weight, not me. stock ls2 gto's , and by stock i mean stock production weight, they are mostly in the mid to high 13's. Still the point is a STOCK 5.0 4v mustang will smoke the stock GTO. Now that being said there are plenty of ill talented drivers that make a disgrace of cars they own on a daily basis and the OP most likely witnessed one.
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Torque management on the 11 5.0 isnt that aggresive, go drive a auto 5th gen camaro and you'll see what aggressive TM is. The only thing that really stood out to me on the 11 5.0 was the TM in between gears, and the fact that everytime i shifted and left off the clutch, the clutch pedal would come back and hit my leg. IMO first mods if i had a 11 5.0 would be drag radials, a gangster clutch, and a tune, that way i can bang gears all i want and launch it hard, SRA FTW.
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LS2 Stock Class: Last Updated: 03/17/2009
1) M6, RocketCutlass, 12.655@110.82 2.034 60'
2) M6, AmishAssassin,12.82@110.33 2.060 60'
3) A4, andrewzpsu, 12.877@108.09 1.914 60'
4) A4, NYTIGER 12.920@109.40 2.033 60'
5) M6, Boilermaker GTO 12.929@106.89 1.887 60'
6) M6, Go Bucks!, 12.967@109.16 2.056 60'
7) A4, 05torridred60 12.971@108 MPH 2.01 60' SAP mufflers
8) M6, jumbojet 12.974@108.80 2.027 60'
9) M6, BlackSheep 12.98@108 MPH
10) M6, GTOboss 13.007@108.52mp
11) M6, IBM6GTO 13.025@107.73 2.056 60'
12) M6, 06PhantomGoat 13.028@106.88 1.989 60'
13) M6, KYGTO 13.035@108.96 2.018 60'
14) M6, Judgethis05 13.036@108.72
15) A4, DaveIs, 13.042@105.54 1.845 60'
16) M6, hookmechanic 13.074@106.76 1.931 60
17) M6, SLoW SHO 13.082@108.15
18) M6, SloNlo 13.086@108.75
19) A4, Southjersey, 13.09@106.63 1.984 60'
20) M6, Aerobirdmotorsports 13.098@106.91 1.988 60'
21) A4, Benzo Mike, 13.099@106.83 1.941 60'
22) M6, TheCamel 13.112@108.49 2.257 60'
23) A4, BadGTO 13.14@104.99 2.046 60'
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Plenty have ran 12's stock, autos with just a tune run 12's. It shouldnt be hard to believe that a MILD bolton GTO beat a 11 5.0.
Torque management on the 11 5.0 isnt that aggresive, go drive a auto 5th gen camaro and you'll see what aggressive TM is. The only thing that really stood out to me on the 11 5.0 was the TM in between gears, and the fact that everytime i shifted and left off the clutch, the clutch pedal would come back and hit my leg. IMO first mods if i had a 11 5.0 would be drag radials, a gangster clutch, and a tune, that way i can bang gears all i want and launch it hard, SRA FTW.
Torque management on the 11 5.0 isnt that aggresive, go drive a auto 5th gen camaro and you'll see what aggressive TM is. The only thing that really stood out to me on the 11 5.0 was the TM in between gears, and the fact that everytime i shifted and left off the clutch, the clutch pedal would come back and hit my leg. IMO first mods if i had a 11 5.0 would be drag radials, a gangster clutch, and a tune, that way i can bang gears all i want and launch it hard, SRA FTW.
The TM between shifts is actually in the tuning, it tells the throttle body to close even if you stand on the gas between shifts, yes i know kinda silly but a tune can fix it.
btw, have you seen the new 5.0 launching while being dumped from the rev limiter LOL it looks mean
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That list means nothing to me because i know how many people take seats out and buy lightweight stuff for cars to make them as fast as they can while retaining STOCK un-moded engine and tranny but still say its stock.
What i said is STOCK and STOCK weight. Also im saying STOCK as in no drag radials. Off the showroom floor stock the new gt has ran 12.7 without tuning or anything else.
What i said is STOCK and STOCK weight. Also im saying STOCK as in no drag radials. Off the showroom floor stock the new gt has ran 12.7 without tuning or anything else.
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I have not seen any run 12's stock, but i do not study GTO's thats why i asked to be shown one. The ones i have seen runs in mid to high 13s and i did see one youtube video of one in 13.3 range.
The TM between shifts is actually in the tuning, it tells the throttle body to close even if you stand on the gas between shifts, yes i know kinda silly but a tune can fix it.
btw, have you seen the new 5.0 launching while being dumped from the rev limiter LOL it looks mean
The TM between shifts is actually in the tuning, it tells the throttle body to close even if you stand on the gas between shifts, yes i know kinda silly but a tune can fix it.
btw, have you seen the new 5.0 launching while being dumped from the rev limiter LOL it looks mean
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That list means nothing to me because i know how many people take seats out and buy lightweight stuff for cars to make them as fast as they can while retaining STOCK un-moded engine and tranny but still say its stock.
What i said is STOCK and STOCK weight. Also im saying STOCK as in no drag radials. Off the showroom floor stock the new gt has ran 12.7 without tuning or anything else.
What i said is STOCK and STOCK weight. Also im saying STOCK as in no drag radials. Off the showroom floor stock the new gt has ran 12.7 without tuning or anything else.
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All GTOs suck except for ones owned by my friends........ LOL
Seriously though, I remember project "Head Poncho" in GM High Tech. It was an LS2 goat. The full bolt-on setup consisted of stall, drag radials, headers, exhaust, cold air intake, underdrive pulley... It went 12.2 at 110mph. I can't remember if it had a Fast intake at that time or if they waited till the heads and cam.... I think they waited. With the TrickFlow heads, cam, and intake added it went 11.3 at 119 after frying and replacing a low mileage 4l60.
We are planning a Magnacharger install for Lee Zaunbrecher's LS1 GTO very soon at my shop. Hopefully we will beat the heads/cam time that the Head Poncho car put down.
Seriously though, I remember project "Head Poncho" in GM High Tech. It was an LS2 goat. The full bolt-on setup consisted of stall, drag radials, headers, exhaust, cold air intake, underdrive pulley... It went 12.2 at 110mph. I can't remember if it had a Fast intake at that time or if they waited till the heads and cam.... I think they waited. With the TrickFlow heads, cam, and intake added it went 11.3 at 119 after frying and replacing a low mileage 4l60.
We are planning a Magnacharger install for Lee Zaunbrecher's LS1 GTO very soon at my shop. Hopefully we will beat the heads/cam time that the Head Poncho car put down.
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i just heard that someone is making 1,000 + already with a new 5.0 stock bottom end... might get interesting