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Old 09-27-2010 | 10:47 PM
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Ha I was just laughing at the fact that he tried to say I was wrong once again and pretty much owned himself, and all of your guys comments made it so much better. I know I don't know it all or even close to it all but I'm not going to blurt out something like Ju1ce did without know the correct info.

In order to increase boost, you have to do what to the blower/turbo??????

Thats right ladies and gentlemen, you have to increase how fast the blower spins! Thus creating more heat lol
So Mr.PD Blower Expert. Delta temps at any given blower speed will be the same regardless of boost pressure?

You keep backpedaling and changing the topic. This all started when you said there was no way a GT could make 350whp with an M90.
Old 09-27-2010 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BubbaRATM
Practice the stranger and close your eyes see if it helps.
Dude, IT WORKED!!!!

Now what the hell have y'all done to a perfectly good thread????

Old 09-27-2010 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
So Mr.PD Blower Expert. Delta temps at any given blower speed will be the same regardless of boost pressure?

You keep backpedaling and changing the topic. This all started when you said there was no way a GT could make 350whp with an M90.
Now why don't you please answer my question from before.... you're the one that seems all wishy-woshy...
Old 09-27-2010 | 10:57 PM
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So are telling me that when work (W) is applied to a system there is no heat transfer (Q)? You sir, are full of ****....
An m90 primarily generates heat when the air is compressed in the lower manifold before it enters the cylinder. Not to say the moving of the air doesn't create heat, but it's negligible compared to when the air actually compresses. Next someone is gonna tell me that an m90 compresses air right?

F8LSLowassYellowSLowbra why don't you tell me what makes more heat...
10psi @ 8000rpm
3psi @ 12000rpm
Old 09-27-2010 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
An m90 primarily generates heat when the air is compressed in the lower manifold before it enters the cylinder. Not to say the moving of the air doesn't create heat, but it's negligible compared to when the air actually compresses. Next someone is gonna tell me that an m90 compresses air right?

F8LSLowassYellowSLowbra why don't you tell me what makes more heat...
10psi @ 8000rpm
3psi @ 12000rpm
Now, lets see some efficiency table for the blowers you are discussing here. That way we can compare... I'm all about some data
Old 09-27-2010 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
An m90 primarily generates heat when the air is compressed in the lower manifold before it enters the cylinder. Not to say the moving of the air doesn't create heat, but it's negligible compared to when the air actually compresses. Next someone is gonna tell me that an m90 compresses air right?

F8LSLowassYellowSLowbra why don't you tell me what makes more heat...
10psi @ 8000rpm
3psi @ 12000rpm
You cant honestly say because that would be two different blowers...
Old 09-27-2010 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by F8L BYT
You cant honestly say because that would be two different blowers...
You're completely dodging the point I'm making yet again.
Old 09-27-2010 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RacerBill
Dude, IT WORKED!!!!

Now what the hell have y'all done to a perfectly good thread????


we fucked it to hell and back LOL
Old 09-27-2010 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
You're completely dodging the point I'm making yet again.
you just tell us what you would like the answer to be and we will make fun of you and ridicule you until you see we are right
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I guess I am dodging it too because you're not giving any data...

Answer me this?

Which is faster a gto or a mustang and no, I am not listing any of the mods....

You bore me, I am going to bed so that I can have sweet dreams about Iranaway's mom...
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
You're completely dodging the point I'm making yet again.
How? Explain
Old 09-27-2010 | 11:06 PM
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So much more efficient

If you knew ANYTHING about roots blowers you woulda answered that 3psi @ 12000 RPM would be WAY lower temps without any further information being needed.

Feel free to take your shoe off and choke on it at any time.

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Old 09-27-2010 | 11:23 PM
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You can google search and read all the wikipedia articles you want, but you're still gonna be wrong. And an ******* for thinking you were right, and an even bigger ******* for convincing a few morons you were right.

Also an Auto GT with an M90 made 350rwhp, and a 5spd made 400rwhp. DEAL WITH IT.
Old 09-27-2010 | 11:47 PM
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lol i wander how much longer the mods will let this go on...so much babble.
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Old 09-28-2010 | 01:33 AM
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im no supercharger expert or anything, but arent there a ton of variables that could change those charts? i.e. engine displacement, cfm output and what not? i would assume trying to run a supercharger that was designed for a v6 on a v8 would be like trying to run a turbo from a diesel pickup on a semi... sure you can get the boost psi you need, but its not going to actually flow as much air as the semi turbo would.and i know if you tried to run the smaller turbo it would generate more heat due to the fact it was working so hard to produce the amount of air the motor needs. but hey... what would i know? ill just take my sunfire and throw on some naaaaas and make lambos look slow
Old 09-28-2010 | 01:39 AM
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eaton says nothing about the m90 being designed for a v6.
Old 09-28-2010 | 01:45 AM
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I'm sure they don't. But the M90 was originally designed as a V6 blower. I think one of the first applications was on the Thunderbird S/C back in the early-mid 90s. I think it was also used on the supercharged Grand Prix/Bonneville/Regal. The M112 ('03-'04 Cobra) is the one you really want to use for a V8.
Old 09-28-2010 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dgr00s
eaton says nothing about the m90 being designed for a v6.
just like garret and the other turbo manufacturers dont designate what turbo goes on what diesel motor, but would you put a turbo off of a 3.9L i4 diesel on a 13L i6? (extreme example to demonstrate my point)
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Originally Posted by Arctic
just like garret and the other turbo manufacturers dont designate what turbo goes on what diesel motor, but would you put a turbo off of a 3.9L i4 diesel on a 13L i6? (extreme example to demonstrate my point)
the manufacturer knows what parameters the supercharger can operate within. it's not like we are talking about putting an m45 on a 4.6l dohc engine.

if evidence pointed to the ability to generate 400rwhp (also depending on my goals and budget) and the manufacturer didn't specify any issues otherwise. Just because there is a larger/better option doesn't necessarily make it the more economical or smarter choice.

just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should/or have to in order to reach your goals.


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