C6Z vs. 500hp Turbo S2k (vid)
12-15-2010, 03:33 AM
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yep.
Combine the cost of parts and labor ($42,000) with the MSRP of a 2011 GT-R Premium ($85,060), and the Alpha 9 rings in at a Corvette ZR1-like $127,060.
There is also the issue of warranty coverage, or lack thereof. Nissan adamantly opposes GT-R tuning, only allowing its go-fast division Nismo and a few select, closely aligned builders to officially bump up performance.
i guess that means no powertrain warranty.
A powertrain and computer modification of this magnitude immediately void the factory warranty. But AMS does warranty its products and services, so buyers have some coverage.
define "some coverage".
i have a feeling i can use the words "stretching it a bit", in this case.
12-15-2010, 03:49 AM
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The GT-R runs a standing mile in 27.5 seconds at a top speed of 189 mph
the brabus v12 -300 km/h (186 mph) comes up in 23.9 seconds
Even the Brabus tuners reckoned that this engine's full 1,047 pound-feet of torque would be too much for the Mercedes drivetrain components, so the twin-turbo V12's output has been trimmed to 811 lb-ft of torque.
http://www.sub5zero.com/auto-news/li...rcedes-e-class
there is bad ***. if you really wanna talk bad-***.
the brabus v12 -300 km/h (186 mph) comes up in 23.9 seconds
Even the Brabus tuners reckoned that this engine's full 1,047 pound-feet of torque would be too much for the Mercedes drivetrain components, so the twin-turbo V12's output has been trimmed to 811 lb-ft of torque.
http://www.sub5zero.com/auto-news/li...rcedes-e-class
there is bad ***. if you really wanna talk bad-***.
12-15-2010, 03:52 AM
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The GTR while a great car, also costs money to make fast. Approximately $84k for a brand new GTR and to make the GTR go 9's? approximately 50k. So for Roughly $135k you could have a 9 second GTR that can be daily driven.
Awesome car performance wise.. But is it really the best bang for buck?Just making a point.
The GTR while a great car, also costs money to make fast. Approximately $84k for a brand new GTR and to make the GTR go 9's? approximately 50k. So for Roughly $135k you could have a 9 second GTR that can be daily driven.
Awesome car performance wise.. But is it really the best bang for buck?Just making a point.
For about the same total price as a new ZR1, a GT-R can be modified by AMS to be quite a bit faster, while still retaining a powertrain warranty.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...a_9/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...a_9/index.html
GTR is roughly $135k for a reliable 9sec street/track car (maybe more).
Viper is roughly $200k. 1500 rwhp 7 second 1/4 capable.
Lambo G is roughly $354K. and that's for stage 3 at UGR for 1250hp on C16.
*Prices are for car and mods.
The AMS kit doesn't include the PPG first gear or full gear swap.. which I'd do just so that I can launch the **** out of the car without braking a sweat on braking something.. (although **** happens). The first gear ppg costs about $2200. with labor your probably looking at another 4-5k. In total about 7-8K If you are going to swap out the first through sixth, it'll cost you a pretty penny at $10,000. and with labor it's about 14-15K. Something I'd do. so what next? A trans cooler.. just to be even safer.. roughly $2800.. the list could go on and on. Why stop there? Get a stroker kit or build the bottom.. That's not going to be cheap. 9s here i come! oh yeah.. i'd need to buy some good drag radials so that I can make the 9s happen. not cheap either.
for that price I might as well get a used lambo G and tt it. How bout the Z06? I might as well just TT that as well.. how much are warhawk engines? Then get a set of precision billet turbos, get the rest of the set up and bam.. TT 1000rwhp monster.. So what could I do with $50k into the Z? I'm pretty sure that ****** will be fast as **** too.
12-15-2010, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RSKY;14237669[B
]At about 1:25 into the vid, the owner of Streetfire/GTR says that the GTR was built to be a porsche turbo beater. So where's the porsche turbo? And no, a GT3 isn't nearly as fast as a turbo.[/B]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWcv7Zp0H78
and again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OTUHgTAMMU
and again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gRaO69vfuU
Where you @ Wesman?...If you don't know, now you know.
12-15-2010, 05:04 AM
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fearsm.......i am well aware of the supra production numbers. but please keep in mind that the supra was an utter flop on american soil...selling so poorly that it was removed from the states in 98 after only 5 years and still continued for sale in japan...they wanted to make and sell more in the us...it just didnt happen........as well do not forget about that pesky non turboed pathetic version of your supra....much like a common mustang you hav e a 200 hp twin with less grunt yet still the same car..a toyota supra....then there is the price point....at only 40k in 98 vs the zr1 at 60k in just 91 or the 98 nsx and viper both well into the 70s by 98...well the supra is just lacking in far to many catergoies to even be considered any type of low end exotic.......take away the non turboed version and add 30k to the price and it could be there..but that just isnt what happenned.....
12-15-2010, 05:11 AM
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The real questiion is...are the production numbers so low simply because the car never sold how they wanted it to...or are they so low because the supra is sooooo special ect....if so then why the only 40k price tag...why a non turboed version....lower powered twiins are usually made for just everyday cars like camaros and mustangs so they can appeal to a large audiance and make money with volume of sales......so why did they do this...
from my readings the sales were very poor and thats why not many were made and thats why the plug was pulled in the us....
rarity or an unwanted car....?????
from my readings the sales were very poor and thats why not many were made and thats why the plug was pulled in the us....
rarity or an unwanted car....?????
12-15-2010, 05:23 AM
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Rsky...stock z06 is a mid 120s car..it is a low 11s car that is bad ***...one guy out of 35k owners turning a 10.99 while impressive does not constitute as a 10 second car....
the zr1 and viper have bothe had several stock 10 second passes with only 5k owners respectively......with that said the z06 even with its 127 mph trapps compared to the vipers 130s and zr1s 132s is still quite impressive....
you can legitimatly run a mid 11 in any of the above cars with ease and with practice low low 11s or high tens in two of them.....that to me is what seperates these kinda cars from the supra/mustang ect you were talking about for pricepoint...you can say that this supra/cobra/camaro should run 10s at 130 mph with xy and z......but in reality trying to turn a high 12 or 13 second cobra/supra into 10s car dosent always happen the way it waas suppossed to...things break....fuel system fails.....half shafts bust..ect ect ect....all the while the z06 z41 and viper just all keep posting mid 11s or better
the zr1 and viper have bothe had several stock 10 second passes with only 5k owners respectively......with that said the z06 even with its 127 mph trapps compared to the vipers 130s and zr1s 132s is still quite impressive....
you can legitimatly run a mid 11 in any of the above cars with ease and with practice low low 11s or high tens in two of them.....that to me is what seperates these kinda cars from the supra/mustang ect you were talking about for pricepoint...you can say that this supra/cobra/camaro should run 10s at 130 mph with xy and z......but in reality trying to turn a high 12 or 13 second cobra/supra into 10s car dosent always happen the way it waas suppossed to...things break....fuel system fails.....half shafts bust..ect ect ect....all the while the z06 z41 and viper just all keep posting mid 11s or better
12-15-2010, 05:38 AM
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btw...1500 rwhp for the viper is no biggie...the supercharged ones ar pushin 900-1100 and the tts are hittin 1700-2000....unfortunetly in the qmile events the tourque is blowing up the trannies...so despite the bigger rwhp nu
bers from the viper they havent been able to effectively use it and the supras and gallardos have been cleaning house.....the power can be used through the short quarter mile however
bers from the viper they havent been able to effectively use it and the supras and gallardos have been cleaning house.....the power can be used through the short quarter mile however
12-15-2010, 06:25 AM
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btw...1500 rwhp for the viper is no biggie...the supercharged ones ar pushin 900-1100 and the tts are hittin 1700-2000....unfortunetly in the qmile events the tourque is blowing up the trannies...so despite the bigger rwhp numbers from the viper they havent been able to effectively use it and the supras and gallardos have been cleaning house.....the power can be used through the short quarter mile however
no street car can use 1500rwhp. you are deluding yourself. i havent seen many big HP supra's. the one i saw at bowling green had 900hp if i remember right. i almost wrecked every run. never did get an ET.it was a DYNO queen.
1500-2000rwhp Ford GT's have a hard time putting it down too. 1500hp for a Ford GT is no biggie either. as a matter of fact 1500rwhp isnt hard for most modern V8's. my turbo stang will be just below that figure. im not trying for 1500. 1200 is enough for DR renegade class.
no street car can effectively use that kind of power. it takes a full drag racing chasis and setup for that. 90/10's, 175 in-lb springs, bigs/littles, four link, 10 point cage, etc.
12-15-2010, 09:04 AM
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1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77
2----11.022 @ 127.25--1.70
3----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76
4----11.177 @ 127.08--1.79
5----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68
6----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80
7----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75
8----11.392 @ 124.84--1.92
9----11.429 @ 124.88--1.86
10---11.443 @ 125.93--1.95
11---11.458 @ 124.13--1.80
12---11.488 @ 123.86--1.80
13---11.545 @ 123.16--1.83
14---11.554 @ 124.13--1.86
15---11.557 @ 126.68--1.95
16---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85
17---11.592 @ 125.94--1.95
18---11.607 @ 122.99--1.87
19---11.627 @ 121.67--1.83
20---11.638 @ 122.46--1.88
21---11.641 @ 120.71--1.78
22---11.687 @ 121.41--1.97
23---11.695 @ 122.44--1.93
24---11.705 @ 126.13--2.12
25---11.709 @ 121.41--1.86
26---11.770 @ 121.00--1.97
27---11.930 @ 123.09--2.03
28---11.946 @ 122.49--2.02
29---11.991 @ 122.52--1.96
average
60'.............1.86 secs
1/4..........11.5 secs
1/4 mph…. 124 mph
12-15-2010, 09:14 AM
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Thats the old 911 Turbo with 480HP.
I was referring to the 2011 911 Turbo S, which has 530HP and has been recorded in 0-60 in 2.7 seconds.
The laps in that video were also limited by weather conditions. Racing in the rain is more about tires than handling calabilities.
The 2011 911 Turbo S will destroy the GTR on a dry track with a good driver. No two ways about it.
12-15-2010, 10:53 AM
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^^^^ WTF? which way is it?
no street car can use 1500rwhp. you are deluding yourself. i havent seen many big HP supra's. the one i saw at bowling green had 900hp if i remember right. i almost wrecked every run. never did get an ET.it was a DYNO queen.
1500-2000rwhp Ford GT's have a hard time putting it down too. 1500hp for a Ford GT is no biggie either. as a matter of fact 1500rwhp isnt hard for most modern V8's. my turbo stang will be just below that figure. im not trying for 1500. 1200 is enough for DR renegade class.
no street car can effectively use that kind of power. it takes a full drag racing chasis and setup for that. 90/10's, 175 in-lb springs, bigs/littles, four link, 10 point cage, etc.
no street car can use 1500rwhp. you are deluding yourself. i havent seen many big HP supra's. the one i saw at bowling green had 900hp if i remember right. i almost wrecked every run. never did get an ET.it was a DYNO queen.
1500-2000rwhp Ford GT's have a hard time putting it down too. 1500hp for a Ford GT is no biggie either. as a matter of fact 1500rwhp isnt hard for most modern V8's. my turbo stang will be just below that figure. im not trying for 1500. 1200 is enough for DR renegade class.
no street car can effectively use that kind of power. it takes a full drag racing chasis and setup for that. 90/10's, 175 in-lb springs, bigs/littles, four link, 10 point cage, etc.
sorry I typed that crap on my phone..what I was trying to say is that while TT VIPERS are the rwhp king at 1700-2000 rwhp...They cant keep the power through the drivetrain in the 1 mile events...
No amount of build has been able to kee0p the tourque from explodeing the drivetrain..So the Vipers have done rather poorly in the 1 mile events despite being able to make the most power..the TT gallardos and TT supras have been kicking *** at the 1 mile events...if the viper could hold the power then i belieave it could take the 1 mile crown with ease as it simply out powers everything else out their...but thats a BIG COULD...As no ones been able to do it yet for the full mile...
Now in the 1/4 mile their are a few 1700 plus rwhp vipers that have ran 7's on the 6 speed..Pretty sure the record still belongs to the viper although the supra is known to steal it away every once in a while as it can also run 7's on the 6 speed. last I checked viper had the record by a tenth or so
12-15-2010, 11:08 AM
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mid 12s?? the 30 fastest bone stock on the stock shitty run craps c6 z06s ((just on corvetteforum)) are all in the 11s, with some nice low 11s runs.
1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77
2----11.022 @ 127.25--1.70
3----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76
4----11.177 @ 127.08--1.79
5----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68
6----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80
7----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75
8----11.392 @ 124.84--1.92
9----11.429 @ 124.88--1.86
10---11.443 @ 125.93--1.95
11---11.458 @ 124.13--1.80
12---11.488 @ 123.86--1.80
13---11.545 @ 123.16--1.83
14---11.554 @ 124.13--1.86
15---11.557 @ 126.68--1.95
16---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85
17---11.592 @ 125.94--1.95
18---11.607 @ 122.99--1.87
19---11.627 @ 121.67--1.83
20---11.638 @ 122.46--1.88
21---11.641 @ 120.71--1.78
22---11.687 @ 121.41--1.97
23---11.695 @ 122.44--1.93
24---11.705 @ 126.13--2.12
25---11.709 @ 121.41--1.86
26---11.770 @ 121.00--1.97
27---11.930 @ 123.09--2.03
28---11.946 @ 122.49--2.02
29---11.991 @ 122.52--1.96
average
60'.............1.86 secs
1/4..........11.5 secs
1/4 mph…. 124 mph
1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77
2----11.022 @ 127.25--1.70
3----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76
4----11.177 @ 127.08--1.79
5----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68
6----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80
7----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75
8----11.392 @ 124.84--1.92
9----11.429 @ 124.88--1.86
10---11.443 @ 125.93--1.95
11---11.458 @ 124.13--1.80
12---11.488 @ 123.86--1.80
13---11.545 @ 123.16--1.83
14---11.554 @ 124.13--1.86
15---11.557 @ 126.68--1.95
16---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85
17---11.592 @ 125.94--1.95
18---11.607 @ 122.99--1.87
19---11.627 @ 121.67--1.83
20---11.638 @ 122.46--1.88
21---11.641 @ 120.71--1.78
22---11.687 @ 121.41--1.97
23---11.695 @ 122.44--1.93
24---11.705 @ 126.13--2.12
25---11.709 @ 121.41--1.86
26---11.770 @ 121.00--1.97
27---11.930 @ 123.09--2.03
28---11.946 @ 122.49--2.02
29---11.991 @ 122.52--1.96
average
60'.............1.86 secs
1/4..........11.5 secs
1/4 mph…. 124 mph
This is exactly what ive been trying to explain....The stock Z06 is a beaste...but if youve ever seen a youtube vid of a stock Z06 vs stock ZR1 or stock 2008 Viper then you know they just walk away from the Z06 as well trapp a bit higher in the 1/4 mile...
The Z06 may be the slowest of the 3 Im compareing but look at those numbers....you can say your gonna build such and such mid 13 second supra or mid 13 second 98 Fbody to run a 10.99 or consistent low to mid 11's at 125 plus mph...
But the reality is some cars can and some cant..be it the build or turbo sizeing or bad tuneing ect...bad selection of heads and cam combo...
Id pick a car that can run the number in stock form. Just imagine all those Z06's with just basic bolt ons....You'd have a reliable 130 mph car that can run 10's...Add drag radials and bolt ons and who knows..10.5's maybe
For me this is one of the reasons the supra never appealed to me..Years ago RSKY asked me if I thought about getting a supra and joining a club...Im thinking 5 plus years ago...
My thought on that was very simple...HMMMMM...a mid 13 second supra or a GTS/RT10 viper that trapps 120 mph and can run high 11's...
I never looked back....Dont get me wrong guys I know 75% of the guys on this site cant afford 40K for used Z06's and used vipers or used supras/nsx ect.......And for the price point of a used LS1 with heads and cam at 450 rwhp...I completely get were your coming from..
12 years ago I had to choose between a V6 convertable fbody and a V8 fbody because of money..I chose the V6 convertable..So trust me I know whats up...
But for the guys who can afford these kinda cars..honestly buying a 13 second supra with hopes of makeing it into a 10 second supra when there are stock 10 second cars available for as low as 35K for 2006 Z06's and 60K for 2008 Vipers nd 80K for 2009 ZR1's....I dont know..I just dont understand
I suppose is what I am
12-15-2010, 12:06 PM
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The real questiion is...are the production numbers so low simply because the car never sold how they wanted it to...or are they so low because the supra is sooooo special ect....if so then why the only 40k price tag...why a non turboed version....lower powered twiins are usually made for just everyday cars like camaros and mustangs so they can appeal to a large audiance and make money with volume of sales......so why did they do this...
from my readings the sales were very poor and thats why not many were made and thats why the plug was pulled in the us....
rarity or an unwanted car....?????
from my readings the sales were very poor and thats why not many were made and thats why the plug was pulled in the us....
rarity or an unwanted car....?????