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Today's lesson from crashemall. Torque sucks for street racing even though torque is what gets a car moving and horsepower is a function of torque and RPM. WTF doesn't even begin to question that post. I am now completely convinced you don't know what the **** you are talking about. You crashed two Vipers because you can't drive not because of some magical and overwhelming torque. Damn. Get a damn grip and learn some **** before you attack another keyboard with your idiocy.
A good high RPM horsepower (torque + RPM) curve is ALWAYS more important than a good low RPM torque (just torque) curve for racing. The faster your engine is spinning, the more times it can reproduce that torque in a certain amount of time (provided your engine flows well enough to make the torque at high RPM).
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I am guessing you are refering to roll racing, at least I hope you are. Roll racing isn't the only way to get down and when I actively street raced it didn't happen that often. Torque is still relevent even in roll racing unless you are doing high mph rolls.
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To be fair, low end torque is pretty useless in street racing. You want a decent amount of torque at higher RPM (guess what HORSEPOWER is?) to be faster.
A good high RPM horsepower (torque + RPM) curve is ALWAYS more important than a good low RPM torque (just torque) curve for racing. The faster your engine is spinning, the more times it can reproduce that torque in a certain amount of time (provided your engine flows well enough to make the torque at high RPM).
A good high RPM horsepower (torque + RPM) curve is ALWAYS more important than a good low RPM torque (just torque) curve for racing. The faster your engine is spinning, the more times it can reproduce that torque in a certain amount of time (provided your engine flows well enough to make the torque at high RPM).
I would honestly rather stay in gears longer while making power than be constantly grabbing for gears. Sadly all of my cars are gears to the moon.
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No matter what, torque (read; power) at the higher rpms is what it's about. Even with drag racing, your car is almost never at low rpms. The Z06 has great torque down low, but also has fantastic power up top.
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Again...it depends. A bolt on Mach 1 is going to be short shifting to stay in its powerband. So is a HCI stock uncut piston 5.0.
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Yep. And if you want to go faster than bolt-ons (like heads/cams), it's going to shift the powerband higher in the rpm range. A car is more useful if it can make use of the upper ranges of its rpm capability.
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I believe the original point was the amount of torque not where it occurs. We can what if it to death but the fact remains if your engine doesn't make good torque its probably not going to make good power unless you spin the **** out of it. Most people aren't going to build a street car, with a v8 anyway, that has to spin past 7500 rpm to make power.
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Lack of power and weight leads me to believe that you have no problem putting power down. An underpowered convertible Titanic owner giving us insight about a V10 not being able to put “raw wheel horsepower and raw wheel torque” to the pavement
. I’m just saying, putting down 200rwhp & 250rwtq in a 3 ton boat is easier than putting down 500rwhp & 500rwtq in 3300lbs sports car.
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i agree, i have cutouts on my galaxie but never open them on the street. Theyre way too "look at me" loud and only should be used on a track or seriously fast car. They might also be extremely loud because the size of my engine (533ci) cuz ive had cutouts before but dont remember them being this abnoxious.
I believe the original point was the amount of torque not where it occurs. We can what if it to death but the fact remains if your engine doesn't make good torque its probably not going to make good power unless you spin the **** out of it. Most people aren't going to build a street car, with a v8 anyway, that has to spin past 7500 rpm to make power.
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and with that being said, what insight exactly are you talking about???? i simply asked if 450rwhp is THAT difficult to control with such massive tires. apparently its the off idle torque, i thought he crashed his cars doing roll races.
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wow..lotta torque talk..
Look. Ive had the h/c 342 ci..yea it was 380 rwhp with a 2.73 rear end and 3280 pounds...on paper it should have been just as fast as my stock 1999 488 ci viper with 400 rwhp and 3390 pounds...
But c'mon we all no better than anyone that their is no replacement for displacement..
My H/C LS1 had 380 rwt and my stock 1999 Viper had 465 rwt. The way they delivered the power was night and day..Cubic inches make a massive differance despite the final numbers and the stock viper out trapped my C5 by 5 mph both driven by me.
With my current viper at 8.3 litres and 505 cubic inches. That 512 rwt may seem like nothing. but the way the power is delivered from that huge engine is the flattest torque curve in the buisness of production engines.
You can put a 408 stroker in with h/c and maybey hit the same 512 rwt I have..But the delivery of the torque will still not be the same...
Now that 533 ci up above..Thats what it takes for a similar experiance..
Please before you post any more go rent even a 1996 GTS viper and drive it for a day..Some of you comment who hav never even sat in one let alone drove one...
Compareing a LS1 with mods and saying the car has 450 rwhp so its the same experiance as a srt10 is naieve...That would be like someone saying a 300 rwhp s2000 hits just as hard as a LS1..Hell no it dosent. Not even close...The LS1 will still have a much more violent feel than the s2000 in lower rpm's....Same applies here...You can get the same rwhp but the low end feel is still not comparable..Even the 427 ci feels a lil limp wristed honestly stock for stock...And a 427 ci is the biggest GM offers in sports cars...
Wish a few of you were close. Id give you a ride and let you decide for your self...let me know if you visit hawaii
Look. Ive had the h/c 342 ci..yea it was 380 rwhp with a 2.73 rear end and 3280 pounds...on paper it should have been just as fast as my stock 1999 488 ci viper with 400 rwhp and 3390 pounds...
But c'mon we all no better than anyone that their is no replacement for displacement..
My H/C LS1 had 380 rwt and my stock 1999 Viper had 465 rwt. The way they delivered the power was night and day..Cubic inches make a massive differance despite the final numbers and the stock viper out trapped my C5 by 5 mph both driven by me.
With my current viper at 8.3 litres and 505 cubic inches. That 512 rwt may seem like nothing. but the way the power is delivered from that huge engine is the flattest torque curve in the buisness of production engines.
You can put a 408 stroker in with h/c and maybey hit the same 512 rwt I have..But the delivery of the torque will still not be the same...
Now that 533 ci up above..Thats what it takes for a similar experiance..
Please before you post any more go rent even a 1996 GTS viper and drive it for a day..Some of you comment who hav never even sat in one let alone drove one...
Compareing a LS1 with mods and saying the car has 450 rwhp so its the same experiance as a srt10 is naieve...That would be like someone saying a 300 rwhp s2000 hits just as hard as a LS1..Hell no it dosent. Not even close...The LS1 will still have a much more violent feel than the s2000 in lower rpm's....Same applies here...You can get the same rwhp but the low end feel is still not comparable..Even the 427 ci feels a lil limp wristed honestly stock for stock...And a 427 ci is the biggest GM offers in sports cars...
Wish a few of you were close. Id give you a ride and let you decide for your self...let me know if you visit hawaii