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01-20-2011, 05:15 PM
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01-20-2011, 05:49 PM
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Nice kill man.
Video was not that great though and could not really see to much. Needed just a little more info or a better video. You can basically say anything you want about the race but there is not enough information there to even make a debate.
But it was a good kill.
Video was not that great though and could not really see to much. Needed just a little more info or a better video. You can basically say anything you want about the race but there is not enough information there to even make a debate.
But it was a good kill.
01-20-2011, 06:20 PM
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A 400rwhp engine dyno'd in AZ @ +2,000ft DA could change into a 430+rwhp engine dyno'd in New Jersey @ -1,500ft DA.
People are getting more and more hip to the DA scheme as far as E.Ts but most of the time they forget about how it directly effects dyno numbers just the same.
Im not saying a Coyote cant compete with an LS3. Im saying that without DA relevance (the closest thing we have to running a same place, same day, same time, same condition test between to given cars or engines that physically cant run side by side), its a crap shoot that cant be based in fact.
01-20-2011, 06:24 PM
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Theres no way to bench race dyno numbers without comparing the density altitude.
A 400rwhp engine dyno'd in AZ @ +2,000ft DA could change into a 430+rwhp engine dyno'd in New Jersey @ -1,500ft DA.
People are getting more and more hip to the DA scheme as far as E.Ts but most of the time they forget about how it directly effects dyno numbers just the same.
Im not saying a Coyote cant compete with an LS3. Im saying that without DA relevance (the closest thing we have to running a same place, same day, same time, same condition test between to given cars or engines that physically cant run side by side), its a crap shoot that cant be based in fact.
A 400rwhp engine dyno'd in AZ @ +2,000ft DA could change into a 430+rwhp engine dyno'd in New Jersey @ -1,500ft DA.
People are getting more and more hip to the DA scheme as far as E.Ts but most of the time they forget about how it directly effects dyno numbers just the same.
Im not saying a Coyote cant compete with an LS3. Im saying that without DA relevance (the closest thing we have to running a same place, same day, same time, same condition test between to given cars or engines that physically cant run side by side), its a crap shoot that cant be based in fact.
01-20-2011, 06:37 PM
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I know you do from reading your posts at Goat board, but I still have to put it down in print and attempt to educate the bench racers that take everything anyone says as gospel such as "X car or engine is equal to or better than X car that is thousands of miles away under different conditions bro!"
01-20-2011, 07:27 PM
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Theres no way to bench race dyno numbers without comparing the density altitude.
A 400rwhp engine dyno'd in AZ @ +2,000ft DA could change into a 430+rwhp engine dyno'd in New Jersey @ -1,500ft DA.
People are getting more and more hip to the DA scheme as far as E.Ts but most of the time they forget about how it directly effects dyno numbers just the same.
Im not saying a Coyote cant compete with an LS3. Im saying that without DA relevance (the closest thing we have to running a same place, same day, same time, same condition test between to given cars or engines that physically cant run side by side), its a crap shoot that cant be based in fact.
A 400rwhp engine dyno'd in AZ @ +2,000ft DA could change into a 430+rwhp engine dyno'd in New Jersey @ -1,500ft DA.
People are getting more and more hip to the DA scheme as far as E.Ts but most of the time they forget about how it directly effects dyno numbers just the same.
Im not saying a Coyote cant compete with an LS3. Im saying that without DA relevance (the closest thing we have to running a same place, same day, same time, same condition test between to given cars or engines that physically cant run side by side), its a crap shoot that cant be based in fact.
01-20-2011, 08:26 PM
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Fail.
Even so. Boo ******* hoo that a HOST of Ford swingers cant come over to this site and force GM guys to march for the other team.
Even so. Boo ******* hoo that a HOST of Ford swingers cant come over to this site and force GM guys to march for the other team.
01-20-2011, 08:31 PM
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01-20-2011, 09:33 PM
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There have been teams since the late 40s ever since people started lining up cars mainstream. Nobody is crying except the recent influx of Ford owners demanding that we bow to the first respectable, affordable car they've had in decades.
People here recognize the 5.0. Were just not as impressed as you guys because 400HP in an affordable midsize 2 door is so 6 years ago for GM.
ZOMG it runs 12s and 11s with mods? Once again.........old news.
Does it deserve respect? Yes. Does it deserve worship? Not by us it doesnt.
People here recognize the 5.0. Were just not as impressed as you guys because 400HP in an affordable midsize 2 door is so 6 years ago for GM.
ZOMG it runs 12s and 11s with mods? Once again.........old news.
Does it deserve respect? Yes. Does it deserve worship? Not by us it doesnt.
01-20-2011, 09:50 PM
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There have been teams since the late 40s ever since people started lining up cars mainstream. Nobody is crying except the recent influx of Ford owners demanding that we bow to the first respectable, affordable car they've had in decades.
People here recognize the 5.0. Were just not as impressed as you guys because 400HP in an affordable midsize 2 door is so 6 years ago for GM.
ZOMG it runs 12s and 11s with mods? Once again.........old news.
Does it deserve respect? Yes. Does it deserve worship? Not by us it doesnt.
People here recognize the 5.0. Were just not as impressed as you guys because 400HP in an affordable midsize 2 door is so 6 years ago for GM.
ZOMG it runs 12s and 11s with mods? Once again.........old news.
Does it deserve respect? Yes. Does it deserve worship? Not by us it doesnt.
01-20-2011, 10:30 PM
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What facts? Maybe that they are pretty much even when it comes to stock and bolt-ons? Those are the only facts, anything more than bolt-ons and the LS3 wins.
01-20-2011, 10:39 PM
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Agreed, stock for stock they are pretty much the same (with the LS3 just a lil higher, i mean it is rated for 13hp more), but with bolt-ons they stay neck to neck.
What facts? Maybe that they are pretty much even when it comes to stock and bolt-ons? Those are the only facts, anything more than bolt-ons and the LS3 wins.
What facts? Maybe that they are pretty much even when it comes to stock and bolt-ons? Those are the only facts, anything more than bolt-ons and the LS3 wins.
01-20-2011, 10:41 PM
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Agreed, stock for stock they are pretty much the same (with the LS3 just a lil higher, i mean it is rated for 13hp more), but with bolt-ons they stay neck to neck.
What facts? Maybe that they are pretty much even when it comes to stock and bolt-ons? Those are the only facts, anything more than bolt-ons and the LS3 wins.
What facts? Maybe that they are pretty much even when it comes to stock and bolt-ons? Those are the only facts, anything more than bolt-ons and the LS3 wins.
01-20-2011, 10:42 PM
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There have been teams since the late 40s ever since people started lining up cars mainstream. Nobody is crying except the recent influx of Ford owners demanding that we bow to the first respectable, affordable car they've had in decades.
People here recognize the 5.0. Were just not as impressed as you guys because 400HP in an affordable midsize 2 door is so 6 years ago for GM.
ZOMG it runs 12s and 11s with mods? Once again.........old news.
Does it deserve respect? Yes. Does it deserve worship? Not by us it doesnt.
People here recognize the 5.0. Were just not as impressed as you guys because 400HP in an affordable midsize 2 door is so 6 years ago for GM.
ZOMG it runs 12s and 11s with mods? Once again.........old news.
Does it deserve respect? Yes. Does it deserve worship? Not by us it doesnt.
01-20-2011, 10:43 PM
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01-20-2011, 10:44 PM
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01-20-2011, 10:49 PM
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We've already gone over this, right? 5.0 has better heads stock, higher compression, AGGRESIVE VCT setup, shorty headers stock, annd revs higher and the LS3 still outputs more hp stock. Displacement has a LOT to do with it, and so does aftermarket. Apples to apples the bigger WILL ALWAYS make more power naturally aspirated, and thats a FACT, not a speculation. The 5.0 is gonna need some ridonkulous cams, over the moon compression, and rev to 8 grand, to make the same power as a cam-only LS3, that is speculation.
01-20-2011, 10:59 PM
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