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Old 01-25-2011, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
Our former turbo Mustang went 180 in the 1/8th and 225 inthe 1/4 mile
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Now thats just showing off. It was damn fast though.
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Originally Posted by The Manalishi
Now thats just showing off. It was damn fast though.
LOL It was just another example of a turbo car pulling hard on the top end

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Old 01-25-2011, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
LOL It was just another example of a turbo car pulling hard on the top end

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Yea I know but you guys get to play with too many toys. Whats the replacement for the Stang?
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Originally Posted by The Manalishi
Yea I know but you guys get to play with too many toys. Whats the replacement for the Stang?
2011 Mustang with 3,500 HP alcohol blown Hemi. It set the record for ADRL XTF running 3.78 @ 203 mph in the 1/8th.

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Old 01-25-2011, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
2011 Mustang with 3,500 HP alcohol blown Hemi. It set the record for ADRL XTF running 3.78 @ 203 mph in the 1/8th.

-Rick
How the hell did I miss that? Wow. That sounds like a killer car.
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Originally Posted by The Manalishi
How the hell did I miss that? Wow. That sounds like a killer car.
CAR?!?!?! PFFFFTT! That's like calling the Space Shuttle a 'glider'. Must be nice to throw away a brand new 5.0 GT to the altar of the drag strip like that. I mean, did you REALLY destroy a GT like that? Or just take another plastic body and alter it too look like a 2010/11 and slap the VIN on it?
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Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
CAR?!?!?! PFFFFTT! That's like calling the Space Shuttle a 'glider'. Must be nice to throw away a brand new 5.0 GT to the altar of the drag strip like that. I mean, did you REALLY destroy a GT like that? Or just take another plastic body and alter it too look like a 2010/11 and slap the VIN on it?
We have a 10-second N/A 11 GT, but the race car started as a carbon fiber body, not a production car.

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Originally Posted by The Manalishi
Now thats just showing off. It was damn fast though.
it was only twice the speeds of what i posted.....lol
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
That slip has gotta be a little off... I can't see that tank going from 85 to 110 on the back half of the track. Should be more like a 106 trap with that 1/8th mile. My GTO went 89 in the 1/8th when I was stock and only trapped 111. No way is an SHO crankin out that hard back half.

wait your stock GTO trapped 89 mph.... whats this like at Atco in 60 degrees with a -500 DA?
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The styling is nice on the SHO but I find it oversized, overly tall, poor headroom for a tall driver (with sunroof), surprisingly lacking leg room in the rear for it's size, pizza cutter tires and subpar brakes too??
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Originally Posted by Deuuuce
The styling is nice on the SHO but I find it oversized, overly tall, poor headroom for a tall driver (with sunroof), surprisingly lacking leg room in the rear for it's size, pizza cutter tires and subpar brakes too??
I agree! The brakes are horrible. I smoked ours after a few 100+ mph stops in a row.

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Originally Posted by GXPPOWER
wait your stock GTO trapped 89 mph.... whats this like at Atco in 60 degrees with a -500 DA?
Nope, LVD in upstate New York, in August.


Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
Turbo cars typically pull hard in the second half of the track.

Our Escalade was 6,055 lbs. It went 87.20 mph in the 1/8th and 107 mph in the 1/4 and I even pedaled, because it torque steered towards the wall at the beginning.

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I'm sorry but how does this prove that an SHO should go 85-110 on the back half? When this example of a hard pulling turbo vehicle only went 87-107?

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http://www.dragtimes.com/2010-Ford-T...ecs-20033.html

84-106

Maybe you guys just had a way better killer tune. I bet that was it.
Funny how it was never replicated and 99% of the tuned SHO's out there trap 83-85 in the 1/8th and 105-107 in the 1/4.

Why is it that no one can ever just admit the timing system at the track was probably wrong? This reminds me of when the guy in a bone stock G8GT was flaunting his 109mph bone stock trap time slip, or even the stock auto Mustang GT telling everyone he trapped 116. Or best yet, automach1 showing us his nasty 84mph 1/8th mile and a 112 trap. Hey, they got slips... thats proof aint it!

I guess my GTO must be broken... I need to trap 93mph in the 1/8th just to get to 115, and 89 to get to only 110 when stock

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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
I'm sorry but how does this prove that an SHO should go 85-110 on the back half? When this example of a hard pulling turbo vehicle only went 87-107?
I really don't think he would make it up. He has a lot of happy customers and all the cars I've seen or heard about coming out of their shop run like a raped ape. Is it a big pickup sure, but not impossible.
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Originally Posted by The Manalishi
I really don't think he would make it up. He has a lot of happy customers and all the cars I've seen or heard about coming out of their shop run like a raped ape. Is it a big pickup sure, but not impossible.
It's probably not made up but it's definitely not accurate. I trapped 89 in the 1/8th and 110 in the 1/4 in a 6spd LS2 GTO. You're telling me an SHO is gonna get out trapped by 4mph in the 1/8th and then pull even with a 6spd LS2 GTO on the back half?
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Originally Posted by got-a-ls1
its really too bad Gm doesnt get back into the turbo v6 game... worked out great in the 80's and should work out even better these days... Even worked out good later on with the GTP with the blower. Oh well kudos to ford for putting this out there and i hope GM counters back with a twin snail 6, or even better a twin snail v8, then i could care less about the v6
You knew it would only take time before General Motors took on Ford and its EcoBoost engine, and that time has just about come reports GMInsideNews. According to GMI’s sources inside General Motors, the automaker is currently in development of a 3.0-liter V6 with twin-turbochargers. There’s no word on actual output, but the same sources say it should rival the larger (3.5-liter) Ford powerplant. Ford’s EcoBoost engine makes 365-hp in the SHO and was designed as a V8 replacement.

This new twin-turbo V6 is expected in the flagship Cadillac XTS around 2012 and is likely to be used in several other GM products, including the upcoming 3 Series fighter, the ATS. In addition, there’s even a strong possibility that such a motor could find its way into the Camaro – something which was previewed at last year’s SEMA Show, when GM showed a twin-turbo 3.6-liter V6 stuffed under the hood of the muscle car.
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
Why is it that no one can ever just admit the timing system at the track was probably wrong?(
This does happen. Sac. was notorious for reading high intermittently until they fixed it. A guy with a stock Challenger R/T claimed 28mph in the back half in another part of the country.

When the bellcurve shows everyone else at 107mph or less, a super consistent, automatic AWD car suddenly shows 3mph higher it's suspicious.
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It amazes me how some of you think different cars on different days on different tracks should run the same. There's just too many variables to make a comparison.
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Originally Posted by RedHotG8
It amazes me how some of you think different cars on different days on different tracks should run the same. There's just too many variables to make a comparison.
You're clearly not considering the circumstances (or just not understanding them) and completely missing the point.
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
Nope, LVD in upstate New York, in August.





I'm sorry but how does this prove that an SHO should go 85-110 on the back half? When this example of a hard pulling turbo vehicle only went 87-107?

Right lane
http://www.dragtimes.com/2010-Ford-T...ecs-20033.html

84-106

Maybe you guys just had a way better killer tune. I bet that was it.
Funny how it was never replicated and 99% of the tuned SHO's out there trap 83-85 in the 1/8th and 105-107 in the 1/4.

Why is it that no one can ever just admit the timing system at the track was probably wrong? This reminds me of when the guy in a bone stock G8GT was flaunting his 109mph bone stock trap time slip, or even the stock auto Mustang GT telling everyone he trapped 116. Or best yet, automach1 showing us his nasty 84mph 1/8th mile and a 112 trap. Hey, they got slips... thats proof aint it!

I guess my GTO must be broken... I need to trap 93mph in the 1/8th just to get to 115, and 89 to get to only 110 when stock
I find it ironic that you are questioning Livernois' credibility. Seriously?
I suggest you do a little online research about them and their accomplishments.
You're going to educate them about racing?
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Woah the Admin came to the rescue of one of his Vendors? What a surprise!
If you actually took the time to consider what I said rather than worry about my statements potentially impacting any sales your vendor might get from a moron like me flagging one of their timeslips you might actually agree with me.

The bottom line is no SHO that traps 85mph in the 1/8th is going to trap 110.xx, period. It's been done 100 times and the highest traps for similarly modded cars are in the 108's and they're doing 86-87 in the 1/8th. There's no coincidence that the same car in question couldn't ever replicate that fluke trap speed.

If you wanna construe that as me taking a shot at Livernois' credibility then you're clearly looking past my entire statement.


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