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03-01-2011, 01:09 PM
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I agree...but the people making such short, uninformed comments don't even know what they are saying...I could respond to his comment saying "What about the 03-04 Cobras?"
All I am saying is the snide comments like "about time they got off their *** and built a decent car" can go back and forth between Ford and GM loyalists all day long...so throwing one out there is just ignorant.
All I am saying is the snide comments like "about time they got off their *** and built a decent car" can go back and forth between Ford and GM loyalists all day long...so throwing one out there is just ignorant.
03-01-2011, 01:40 PM
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Decent cars, **** poor performance.
They outsold the fbody yes, but that's because every teenage girl and middle age woman picked up a v6 because the fbody's had **** for visibility, IIRC cost more, and lacked the name recognition. While "camaro" and "firebird" are popular nameplates they are like Pepsi and RC to Coke. People say Coke out of sheer habit. Many people (even GM guys) also prefer the styling of the Mustang to the base bland looking f bodies.
The comment you are seeing is referring to the fact Ford made a Mustang GT that is an excellent price/performance ratio for the first time since the foxbody instead of giving it just enough performance to scrape by in the market. The Mustang GT is now better than the non-FI Cobras/Mach 1. It's a compliment.
They outsold the fbody yes, but that's because every teenage girl and middle age woman picked up a v6 because the fbody's had **** for visibility, IIRC cost more, and lacked the name recognition. While "camaro" and "firebird" are popular nameplates they are like Pepsi and RC to Coke. People say Coke out of sheer habit. Many people (even GM guys) also prefer the styling of the Mustang to the base bland looking f bodies.
The comment you are seeing is referring to the fact Ford made a Mustang GT that is an excellent price/performance ratio for the first time since the foxbody instead of giving it just enough performance to scrape by in the market. The Mustang GT is now better than the non-FI Cobras/Mach 1. It's a compliment.
03-01-2011, 02:26 PM
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IIRC, there's a member here with an '11 GT with a few bolt-ons and a tune, and he's run something like 11.8 @ 116mph. I'd say that would be a damn good race with a stock LS3 Corvette. Obviously the Corvette is the better choice, and the one I would choose in a heartbeat, but a bolt-on/tuned GT would still give one a good run.
03-01-2011, 05:26 PM
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The vote would obviously not be wrong, seeing as he said a "tune and intake wouldn't break into the 11's" and you posted of a video of a guy with a tune, intake, and GEARS, which is kind of a big difference.
03-01-2011, 05:43 PM
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nice sig and youre right, Ford is a problem....for GM. Now theyre barely coming out next year with an answer to the cobra/gt500 after how many years?
03-01-2011, 05:52 PM
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IIRC, there's a member here with an '11 GT with a few bolt-ons and a tune, and he's run something like 11.8 @ 116mph. I'd say that would be a damn good race with a stock LS3 Corvette. Obviously the Corvette is the better choice, and the one I would choose in a heartbeat, but a bolt-on/tuned GT would still give one a good run.
So, what were you saying about a good run?
03-01-2011, 06:12 PM
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Lol, I know right? Just like how "uncomfortable fbody seats were.....", I mean really??? The T/A seats rock imo. Also, I do not like the look of most Mustangs at all, at least compared to their fbody counterparts so I don't get the appearance argument at all.
I like the coyote and all, but I just don't understand the whole "Mustang sold more than Firebird/Camaro combined" statement!? I mean, who cares about how many cars women and children bought (even if they were all V8s, which of course they were not) back in those days? Sales has never been an indication of performance bang-for-buck but rather simply an interesting dynamic having to do with marketing and buyer ignorance. This is not to say that people only bought Mustangs because they were chicks, or children, or ignorant but rather that sometimes those factors play more of a role in sales' numbers than which vehicle performs best or is the best value. Has anyone compared driving an 01 GT at 130 mph to an 01 fbody at said speed? It's not even a contest at which one gets there first and which one feels best and most stable. If sales were all that mattered, performance enthusiasts would all be driving subcompacts. If it sold more, it MUST be better, no? Just saying
It gets old guys. Oh, and **** Ford....
Lol, jk Sorry had to make the idiotic "**** Ford" statement, you know just to follow suit with the rest of the moronic statements in here lol. Some statements were ok I guess, but others.........
I like the coyote and all, but I just don't understand the whole "Mustang sold more than Firebird/Camaro combined" statement!? I mean, who cares about how many cars women and children bought (even if they were all V8s, which of course they were not) back in those days? Sales has never been an indication of performance bang-for-buck but rather simply an interesting dynamic having to do with marketing and buyer ignorance. This is not to say that people only bought Mustangs because they were chicks, or children, or ignorant but rather that sometimes those factors play more of a role in sales' numbers than which vehicle performs best or is the best value. Has anyone compared driving an 01 GT at 130 mph to an 01 fbody at said speed? It's not even a contest at which one gets there first and which one feels best and most stable. If sales were all that mattered, performance enthusiasts would all be driving subcompacts. If it sold more, it MUST be better, no? Just saying
It gets old guys. Oh, and **** Ford....Lol, jk
Sorry had to make the idiotic "**** Ford" statement, you know just to follow suit with the rest of the moronic statements in here lol. Some statements were ok I guess, but others......... Last edited by oddwraith; 03-01-2011 at 06:17 PM.
03-01-2011, 06:13 PM
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Then where does that leave the ZR1? Oh yeah... GM's response to the Viper ACR.
Lol, just playin'. 
03-01-2011, 09:12 PM
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stock C6 Corvette (115-117mph traps) vs Mustang GT w boltons (118mph)?
if a 118mph Mustang cant give a good run with a stock C6 116mph corvette, then what do you call the fbody vs bolton GT? pathetic??
03-01-2011, 10:30 PM
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03-01-2011, 11:27 PM
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Your vote would be wrong then sir. Here is 2011 gt Auto. Mods are JLT CAI, Tune, and 3.73 gears... Imagine if it had a stall too! And yes it has a completely stock exhaus
Well I would hope so! They are in two completely different categories and a large amount of money difference too. C6 vette's are badass in every way period!
Well I would hope so! They are in two completely different categories and a large amount of money difference too. C6 vette's are badass in every way period!
Not that it makes a lot, it helps sometimes.. +1.... Its zero fair to compare Vettes against Stang. Not in the same league performance/$$ wise.
I agree...but the people making such short, uninformed comments don't even know what they are saying...I could respond to his comment saying "What about the 03-04 Cobras?"
All I am saying is the snide comments like "about time they got off their *** and built a decent car" can go back and forth between Ford and GM loyalists all day long...so throwing one out there is just ignorant.
All I am saying is the snide comments like "about time they got off their *** and built a decent car" can go back and forth between Ford and GM loyalists all day long...so throwing one out there is just ignorant.
They stopped producing fbodys because most plp dont care much about performance/look. Car enthousiasts do, but theyre clearly not the majority. V6 versions will outsell V8 versions everytime, especially these days.
What plp care now is HP/Liter, MPG, looks that satifies most plp(a car that guys AND girls will buy) with minimum comfort and some cool features. Fbody was too much a of a sacrifice for look/performance over comfort/visibility for the average buyer.
Damn, i know plp that sold their Lancer to buy a Corolla because the MPG was a bit better LOLLL Imagine if they would own a V8 today!!
03-02-2011, 01:06 AM
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This thread has just become a part of the never ending Ford vs GM argument. All I said was I didn't think a 2011 GT with an intake and tune, would stand up to a LS3 C6 Vette, and I stand by my OPINION. Nothing more, nothing less.
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