98 Cobra vs 02 Camaro
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BONE STOCK w/ DR's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iOpOtxufko
Based on that i'd have to agree with LT/LS in that the LS1 is a whole nother league.
But the truth of the matter is, since neither of those vehicles belong to us we really don't know what was done to them.![Winky](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_wink.gif)
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BONE STOCK w/ DR's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iOpOtxufko
Based on that i'd have to agree with LT/LS in that the LS1 is a whole nother league.
But the truth of the matter is, since neither of those vehicles belong to us we really don't know what was done to them.
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Well stock my 99 Cobra ran 13.5 and there was a bolt on LS1 a day ago on here than ran 14's...
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Yippee for you. The "question" wasn't about what your car did. It was about what 96-98 Mustang Cobras did when new and stock vs the LT1's times... Not what the children of the day claim as reality these days, but what was actually happening then. We all know the typical LS1 F-body would beat the typical Cobra of those years and the reasons. Many (ignorantly) believe the LT1 was also a 13 second runner, or that the Cobra was not... While many Cobra owners didn't yet know how or when to shift for best results, it was capable of 13's. The LT1 didn't require any learning curve. It just ran low 14's for nearly anyone on any given day. Given each car had a great driver and neither broke anything, the LT1 would be expected to lose 100% of the time. If it was better as is, GM probably would've held off on the LS1.
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Yippee for you. The "question" wasn't about what your car did. It was about what 96-98 Mustang Cobras did when new and stock vs the LT1's times... Not what the children of the day claim as reality these days, but what was actually happening then. We all know the typical LS1 F-body would beat the typical Cobra of those years and the reasons. Many (ignorantly) believe the LT1 was also a 13 second runner, or that the Cobra was not... While many Cobra owners didn't yet know how or when to shift for best results, it was capable of 13's. The LT1 didn't require any learning curve. It just ran low 14's for nearly anyone on any given day. Given each car had a great driver and neither broke anything, the LT1 would be expected to lose 100% of the time. If it was better as is, GM probably would've held off on the LS1.
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My 99 which was over rated from the factory ran 10.9@126mph without ever taking a valve cover off. Your car with aftermarket cam and heads can barely come within a full second of that. Not to mention I had to manually find my own gears...were you at a hill climb or something?
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Yippee for you. The "question" wasn't about what your car did. It was about what 96-98 Mustang Cobras did when new and stock vs the LT1's times... Not what the children of the day claim as reality these days, but what was actually happening then. We all know the typical LS1 F-body would beat the typical Cobra of those years and the reasons. Many (ignorantly) believe the LT1 was also a 13 second runner, or that the Cobra was not... While many Cobra owners didn't yet know how or when to shift for best results, it was capable of 13's. The LT1 didn't require any learning curve. It just ran low 14's for nearly anyone on any given day. Given each car had a great driver and neither broke anything, the LT1 would be expected to lose 100% of the time. If it was better as is, GM probably would've held off on the LS1.
Atleast someone beside me is in touch with the real world.
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You LSX guys are funny. My wife had an 01' Z28 (a4) with 3.42 gears. Stock on radials it went 13.7. So how can you say that a high 13 sec n/a cobra can't hang with an LS1? When you start getting under 3 tenths of a difference the biggest factor is the driver.
I can hand the keys to my car to some of you and you probably couldn't get my car under 12.5. Does that mean the car can only go 12.5? Sure why not. Its the internets! Never happen in real life!
I can hand the keys to my car to some of you and you probably couldn't get my car under 12.5. Does that mean the car can only go 12.5? Sure why not. Its the internets! Never happen in real life!
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I'm still hung up on the statement that there were only a "handful" of stock lt1 fbodys breaking into the thirteens. They were only about a half second behind a stock ls1 before mods if iirc, and there were a substantial amount of M6 ls1 cars running low 13s.
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You LSX guys are funny. My wife had an 01' Z28 (a4) with 3.42 gears. Stock on radials it went 13.7. So how can you say that a high 13 sec n/a cobra can't hang with an LS1? When you start getting under 3 tenths of a difference the biggest factor is the driver.
I can hand the keys to my car to some of you and you probably couldn't get my car under 12.5. Does that mean the car can only go 12.5? Sure why not. Its the internets! Never happen in real life!![The Jester](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_jest.gif)
I can hand the keys to my car to some of you and you probably couldn't get my car under 12.5. Does that mean the car can only go 12.5? Sure why not. Its the internets! Never happen in real life!
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And using your "wife's car" as the general example to compare all Cobra's to is just
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But yes some LS1's will go 13.7x's. Just like some Cobra's will go 14.2/3's south off 100 all night long. I've seen both instances. And ive also seen guys take their stock to the filter LS1 M6's to 13.1x's at 107-108 back to back to back. There are many variables to consider.
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I retract what I said. I still think many more than a handful of lt1s were capable of 13.9s but I may be wrong on my other logic. Apparently after looking into it a little more, it seems that more lt1s were stuck in the low 14s than I thought. So that means that the gap is a little larger than I thought between the average ls1 and the average lt1. It still doesn't really equate to the '98 cobra being in the same league as an ls1 imo, but I could be wrong. What was considered an "average" run for a '98 snake for those that know?