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Old 03-30-2011, 06:03 PM
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damn thats sick watchin that stock ss go 12.6!
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
Random Video's eh? OK.

BONE STOCK w/ DR's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iOpOtxufko

Based on that i'd have to agree with LT/LS in that the LS1 is a whole nother league.

But the truth of the matter is, since neither of those vehicles belong to us we really don't know what was done to them.
You cant reason with the ford fan boys in srks. Those '96-'99 cobras could'nt hang with the lt1's or the ls1's. The cobras didnt become relevant till the 2003-2004 terminators came out.
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Originally Posted by BODUKE
You cant reason with the ford fan boys in srks. Those '96-'99 cobras could'nt hang with the lt1's or the ls1's. The cobras didnt become relevant till the 2003-2004 terminators came out.
Well stock my 99 Cobra ran 13.5 and there was a bolt on LS1 a day ago on here than ran 14's...
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Well stock my 99 Cobra ran 13.5 and there was a bolt on LS1 a day ago on here than ran 14's...
My stock z28 ran 13.4 with 2.73 gears.
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Originally Posted by BODUKE
You cant reason with the ford fan boys in srks. Those '96-'99 cobras could'nt hang with the lt1's or the ls1's. The cobras didnt become relevant till the 2003-2004 terminators came out.
Says the stalled/h/c LS1 that went 11.81. Am I missing something? There are stock longblock n/a 4.6's running those times. But you're right I can't hang with you.

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Old 03-31-2011, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by UBoysPlayBall?
Bundles of fail in that post.
I'm sure you feel that way... Now all you'll need to do is prove it. I'll save you some effort by informing you that it isn't going to be possible. We've SEEN these things happen. Your opinion means nuts.
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Originally Posted by BODUKE
My stock z28 ran 13.4 with 2.73 gears.
Yippee for you. The "question" wasn't about what your car did. It was about what 96-98 Mustang Cobras did when new and stock vs the LT1's times... Not what the children of the day claim as reality these days, but what was actually happening then. We all know the typical LS1 F-body would beat the typical Cobra of those years and the reasons. Many (ignorantly) believe the LT1 was also a 13 second runner, or that the Cobra was not... While many Cobra owners didn't yet know how or when to shift for best results, it was capable of 13's. The LT1 didn't require any learning curve. It just ran low 14's for nearly anyone on any given day. Given each car had a great driver and neither broke anything, the LT1 would be expected to lose 100% of the time. If it was better as is, GM probably would've held off on the LS1.
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Originally Posted by Bitemark46
Says the stalled/h/c LS1 that went 11.81. Am I missing something? There are stock longblock n/a 4.6's running those times. But you're right I can't hang with you.

-Mark
My car is not part of this discussion , but thankyou for mentioning my times.
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
Yippee for you. The "question" wasn't about what your car did. It was about what 96-98 Mustang Cobras did when new and stock vs the LT1's times... Not what the children of the day claim as reality these days, but what was actually happening then. We all know the typical LS1 F-body would beat the typical Cobra of those years and the reasons. Many (ignorantly) believe the LT1 was also a 13 second runner, or that the Cobra was not... While many Cobra owners didn't yet know how or when to shift for best results, it was capable of 13's. The LT1 didn't require any learning curve. It just ran low 14's for nearly anyone on any given day. Given each car had a great driver and neither broke anything, the LT1 would be expected to lose 100% of the time. If it was better as is, GM probably would've held off on the LS1.
I mentioned what my car ran because of stop32's post get a life!
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Originally Posted by BODUKE
I mentioned what my car ran because of stop32's post get a life!
My 99 which was over rated from the factory ran 10.9@126mph without ever taking a valve cover off. Your car with aftermarket cam and heads can barely come within a full second of that. Not to mention I had to manually find my own gears...were you at a hill climb or something?
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Originally Posted by BODUKE
My stock z28 ran 13.4 with 2.73 gears.
But yet you said yourself the 99 cobra couldn't hang with a ls1 then you post up a time stock within a tenth of my time stock. That's pretty much door to door.
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
Yippee for you. The "question" wasn't about what your car did. It was about what 96-98 Mustang Cobras did when new and stock vs the LT1's times... Not what the children of the day claim as reality these days, but what was actually happening then. We all know the typical LS1 F-body would beat the typical Cobra of those years and the reasons. Many (ignorantly) believe the LT1 was also a 13 second runner, or that the Cobra was not... While many Cobra owners didn't yet know how or when to shift for best results, it was capable of 13's. The LT1 didn't require any learning curve. It just ran low 14's for nearly anyone on any given day. Given each car had a great driver and neither broke anything, the LT1 would be expected to lose 100% of the time. If it was better as is, GM probably would've held off on the LS1.
The more you open your mouth the more ignorant you make yourself look. Hence why no one EVER agrees with you. You need to get a clue.

Originally Posted by BODUKE
You cant reason with the ford fan boys in srks. Those '96-'99 cobras could'nt hang with the lt1's or the ls1's. The cobras didnt become relevant till the 2003-2004 terminators came out.
x13498439

Atleast someone beside me is in touch with the real world.

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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Well stock my 99 Cobra ran 13.5 and there was a bolt on LS1 a day ago on here than ran 14's...
Seriously though??
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You LSX guys are funny. My wife had an 01' Z28 (a4) with 3.42 gears. Stock on radials it went 13.7. So how can you say that a high 13 sec n/a cobra can't hang with an LS1? When you start getting under 3 tenths of a difference the biggest factor is the driver.

I can hand the keys to my car to some of you and you probably couldn't get my car under 12.5. Does that mean the car can only go 12.5? Sure why not. Its the internets! Never happen in real life!
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I'm still hung up on the statement that there were only a "handful" of stock lt1 fbodys breaking into the thirteens. They were only about a half second behind a stock ls1 before mods if iirc, and there were a substantial amount of M6 ls1 cars running low 13s.
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...plus...













you guys are stupid heads!
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
Seriously though??
Yes, you didn't see the dude who ran a 14.009 in -1200 DA? (no kidding at all).

FWIW, It'llrun makes great points, it's just too much effort for me to post every time I agree with his statements.
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Originally Posted by Bitemark46
You LSX guys are funny. My wife had an 01' Z28 (a4) with 3.42 gears. Stock on radials it went 13.7. So how can you say that a high 13 sec n/a cobra can't hang with an LS1? When you start getting under 3 tenths of a difference the biggest factor is the driver.

I can hand the keys to my car to some of you and you probably couldn't get my car under 12.5. Does that mean the car can only go 12.5? Sure why not. Its the internets! Never happen in real life!
I think your funny for attempting to put a 98 Cobra in the same performance catagory as an LS1 f-body.

And using your "wife's car" as the general example to compare all Cobra's to is just and quite newbie-ish on your part. If you were the one driving the LS1 then im not suprised. After all you did say you went 14.3 w/ a 2.3 60-ft in your Cobra.

But yes some LS1's will go 13.7x's. Just like some Cobra's will go 14.2/3's south off 100 all night long. I've seen both instances. And ive also seen guys take their stock to the filter LS1 M6's to 13.1x's at 107-108 back to back to back. There are many variables to consider.
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Originally Posted by snake95
Yes, you didn't see the dude who ran a 14.009 in -1200 DA? (no kidding at all).
Well that's just too bad for him huh?

Give me that kind of DA and a bone-stock LS1 and i'd probably end up just a drag radial away from the 12's.
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I retract what I said. I still think many more than a handful of lt1s were capable of 13.9s but I may be wrong on my other logic. Apparently after looking into it a little more, it seems that more lt1s were stuck in the low 14s than I thought. So that means that the gap is a little larger than I thought between the average ls1 and the average lt1. It still doesn't really equate to the '98 cobra being in the same league as an ls1 imo, but I could be wrong. What was considered an "average" run for a '98 snake for those that know?



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