Holy crap those new 5.0's are fast!!!
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My only bitch about anything was way the conversation turned after the typical "Mustangs are slow yadda yadda yadda" point, which is nbd, doesn't bother me, but I brought up the STOCK 03/04 MACH 1 and the fact that it is neck and neck with an LS1, then somehow a cammed LQ4 put into a third gen is in some way/shape/form related to said STOCK Mach 1? That's the point in the thread that I realized the subject will continuously be changed until it suits turd gen boy's argument...no matter how many subject changes it takes
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Yeah, only I didn't say LSX... I said LS1.
Even if we go with the quickest F-body(this Cougar here isn't a pony car in my world anyway), it's not just a few 10ths... Well, maybe it is, but I've read that the Cougar has run 6.19 now(and a Mustang has gone .30's) and each did it with a single power adder(twin turbo's, no doubt)... The LS... er, LQ F-body record is like 6.86 and I've read it used 2 power adders(but I'm willing to go with twin turbo only)... That's over half a second... compared to a 4.6L... Point is, the 4.6L FACTORY PRODUCTION BLOCK is quite reliable. No LS1 would survive that power, or within 500 of it. That's why so many people switch to the "not-so" lightweight iron block.
Even if we go with the quickest F-body(this Cougar here isn't a pony car in my world anyway), it's not just a few 10ths... Well, maybe it is, but I've read that the Cougar has run 6.19 now(and a Mustang has gone .30's) and each did it with a single power adder(twin turbo's, no doubt)... The LS... er, LQ F-body record is like 6.86 and I've read it used 2 power adders(but I'm willing to go with twin turbo only)... That's over half a second... compared to a 4.6L... Point is, the 4.6L FACTORY PRODUCTION BLOCK is quite reliable. No LS1 would survive that power, or within 500 of it. That's why so many people switch to the "not-so" lightweight iron block.
They "got their **** together" when they made the 4.6L DOHC...
They also had it together when they built several other V8's along the way, like the 351W, which, after ALL THESE YEARS, still overpowers the LS1, and probably every other version, including aftermarket...
Bottom line, THINK some... If you don't know what you're talking about(and you don't), it's not a great idea to spout off in here because some of us actually do and we'll see you...
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No, but you conveniently forgot about the Mach when running your mouth about Mustangs, then out of left field (after you already looked like an *** because I proved your statement wrong) you bring up your car...ONCE AGAIN bringing your car out of nowhere when it was never mentioned, in the middle of an exchange comparing stock cars. Obviously you have a deep seeded hunger for attention in the direction of your car otherwise you would not bring it up when it isn't mentioned, GM boy
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NOW I'm calling you an idiot. Friggin' CHILDREN on here is the biggest bother... Children like you, who can't keep their feelings in check. You may be sitting in mommy's living room, but in here, you'll be treated accordingly and not spoiled, no matter what mommy and daddy told you the world is like!
A couple are learning now...
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Really? You'd give him a temp ban because you don't like what he has to say or you don't like the guy? There are plenty of well respected members here (not claiming myself to be one) that have zero issue with Stopsign. YOU are the one getting bent out of shape. This section is different than all the rest, we have a lot of non-LSX guys who frequent this section because it's a good time. Most of us get along, it's the guys who actually are bothered that there are non-LSX guys on the site that end up ruining it (and the LSX/LT1 fanbois).
Bottom line: Breathe. Chill out and look how bad you blew this up. Not everyone is going to like your turd gen (and if you can't take that, or a joke, you definitely should not be a mod here...or on the internet at all).
Bottom line: Breathe. Chill out and look how bad you blew this up. Not everyone is going to like your turd gen (and if you can't take that, or a joke, you definitely should not be a mod here...or on the internet at all).
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I screw with people on here regularly... That's just how it is and I'm hardly alone. Most any other part of the site is tame in comparison and MOST of us leave our "issues" here when moving from here. Donno if I'm well respected either, but I'm not out to be anyway. I've been around here long enough to know what matters. Two things that DON'T are who has the quickest car OR the most money.
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As for proof, try proving me wrong instead of complaining that I offered none. NOTE that others have been involved in this discussion(including you) and not a soul has even attemtped to argue against the facts I presented. Rather, a couple, like you, want to only argue THAT they were presented and then cry because their favorite got beaten. There are no LS1's even remotely in the performance range of the 4.6L in "all out" form. Not even a little bit. The closest is an LQ4 block, made of IRON in case nobody told you...
I really like the LS1 and all other LS series engines for many reasons. However, NONE of those reasons are "because it's better than anything Ford offers" because it's not. That's the end of the story, quite frankly. All the trash talking means nuts... Even the ragged OLD 5.8L still bests the LS series. The LS1 itself simply never had a shot. It's built too weak to withstand the abuse. The 351 ran better 10yrs ago than the LS has to date. Don't cry to me... That's why GM replaced it with a better lineup.
I know, 260hp out of a 525lbs engine thats the size of a small barn is a total monster...
What kind of drugs are you on? Just one paragraph above you try and dispute about government regulations holding back power, and now youre trying to compare an engine made in the 60s to one made in the 90s, under much different regulations. Regardless the LS1 still made more power so I don't see what your getting at...
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It'llrun, don't waste your time with JD, someone from Ford pissed in his cheerios a long time ago and with every post it is evident that he wants to make it clear that he is a GM swinger.
By the way JDM, the 4.6 DOHC n/a motors were rated at 305hp, if you're gonna try to sound witty and like you know your ****, it is suggested that you do, in fact, know your ****.
By the way JDM, the 4.6 DOHC n/a motors were rated at 305hp, if you're gonna try to sound witty and like you know your ****, it is suggested that you do, in fact, know your ****.
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A bolt on 99-01 Cobra (not saying a 96-98 wont, I've just personally never done it with one) and bolt on Mach 1 will hang/beat a bolt on LS1. I've done it more than a couple times. You win some you lose some, thats how the game is.
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This has been covered time.....and time....and time again. ![GTFO](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/gtfoslap.gif)
A bolt on 99-01 Cobra (not saying a 96-98 wont, I've just personally never done it with one) and bolt on Mach 1 will hang/beat a bolt on LS1. I've done it more than a couple times. You win some you lose some, thats how the game is.
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A bolt on 99-01 Cobra (not saying a 96-98 wont, I've just personally never done it with one) and bolt on Mach 1 will hang/beat a bolt on LS1. I've done it more than a couple times. You win some you lose some, thats how the game is.
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As i have'nt had ANY problems with 4.6's around here.....bolt-on or supercharged or turbocharged. I'm sure their out there, but they will have spent alot of money to out run a 9 yr old ls6.
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I tried not to type it, but the 3rd grader in me made me do it.
Where is Irunelevens at.
Just messing with you elevens
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I tried not to type it, but the 3rd grader in me made me do it.
Where is Irunelevens at.
Just messing with you elevens
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By the way JDM, the 4.6 DOHC n/a motors were rated at 305hp, if you're gonna try to sound witty and like you know your ****, it is suggested that you do, in fact, know your ****.
I decided it better to point out, with all that weight, the reality is, LS1's just aren't strong enough to go at it with the 4.6L, which is why many go iron(LQ)... Then that weight difference is not only basically gone if not reversed, but pointless... The "heavy" engine can handle the power and LS1 cannot.
I'm scratching my head at all the, "but if you DON'T fully build the 4.6L, it isn't as fast" nonsense. Drag racing isn't limited to N/A cars and hasn't been for about 50yrs.
Oh, and your LS3 crate engine was cheap? I've never bothered to build my own 4.6L for racing. If I did, I'd be mad if it didn't run 10's for under 6k in mods. I'd be doing all the labor, of course. I wouldn't bother with a SOHC either, because it can't make the power of the DOHC.
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I didn't call you an idiot, just rookie. If you don't know the difference, I suppose you are an idiot too, but that's on you.
NOW I'm calling you an idiot. Friggin' CHILDREN on here is the biggest bother... Children like you, who can't keep their feelings in check. You may be sitting in mommy's living room, but in here, you'll be treated accordingly and not spoiled, no matter what mommy and daddy told you the world is like!
NOW I'm calling you an idiot. Friggin' CHILDREN on here is the biggest bother... Children like you, who can't keep their feelings in check. You may be sitting in mommy's living room, but in here, you'll be treated accordingly and not spoiled, no matter what mommy and daddy told you the world is like!
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The 5.0s w bolt ons are indeed quick. The Termi's with a few bolt ons were great!! But I personally after driving both of those choose my LS1 Trans am - not because it was "better" but it was a hell of a lot cheaper to own and mod. So that being said - I love my car but I also love anything else thats pretty fast too.
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Oh, and your LS3 crate engine was cheap? I've never bothered to build my own 4.6L for racing. If I did, I'd be mad if it didn't run 10's for under 6k in mods. I'd be doing all the labor, of course. I wouldn't bother with a SOHC either, because it can't make the power of the DOHC.
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As for proof, try proving me wrong instead of complaining that I offered none. NOTE that others have been involved in this discussion(including you) and not a soul has even attemtped to argue against the facts I presented.
And there is no proof of that the block is anywhere near stock, or stock displacement. What methods do the regulators/rule makers use to check displacement, do you know?
There are no LS1's even remotely in the performance range of the 4.6L in "all out" form.
I really like the LS1 and all other LS series engines for many reasons. However, NONE of those reasons are "because it's better than anything Ford offers" because it's not.
That's the end of the story, quite frankly. All the trash talking means nuts... Even the ragged OLD 5.8L still bests the LS series.
You noticed my point, and somehow still managed to let it slip right by... The "14yr old technology" of the LS1 isn't even CLOSE to the current technology of the DOHC.
We've done this already. The new Coytee engine is awesome no doubt, but its still over weight and way too big.