Holy crap those new 5.0's are fast!!!
04-28-2011, 06:32 PM
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Mine was 3450 stock, one of my auto cars was 3500, your car(any mod car) with cams is going to sound ****** bad *** man.
The motors werent all that, put them in the heavier cars like the thunderturd and they were punks.
I said street trim, not street legal, stop changing things.
A Fox with a W block would get murdered by a 6.0 swapped block, there is a member here with a fox and a stock short block 6.0, LS2 243 castings milled .040, cammed and carbed, 9 second car. The fox runs well because of weight, simple.
Yea, with the right amount of money, built with heads and all the works, sure, stroke that bitch.
And again, you can read something but not all? Details on my car are STILL where you looked before.
The motors werent all that, put them in the heavier cars like the thunderturd and they were punks.
I said street trim, not street legal, stop changing things.
A Fox with a W block would get murdered by a 6.0 swapped block, there is a member here with a fox and a stock short block 6.0, LS2 243 castings milled .040, cammed and carbed, 9 second car. The fox runs well because of weight, simple.
Yea, with the right amount of money, built with heads and all the works, sure, stroke that bitch.
And again, you can read something but not all? Details on my car are STILL where you looked before.
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04-28-2011, 06:34 PM
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Untuned there is no way in hell o/r pipe and catback would net you .2 in the 1/4. Also you seemed to miss the shitty 60' and short shifting. Had I gotten a couple more runs in to get to know the car it would have been 13 flat or 12s.
04-28-2011, 07:49 PM
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FYI I gained 13rwhp and 1.5 tenths going from stock mid-pipe/cat-back to a Pypes ORX and Mac cat-back on my old Mach. No tune, just 02 simms for the mid. I'd say Redfire is pretty much on point, though a full 2-tenths is being pretty optimistic. lol
04-28-2011, 07:52 PM
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You gained that the same exact day?
04-28-2011, 08:00 PM
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Yep. 
Back to Back test runs on Force Fed Performance's Dyno. Gained 13rwhp from a ORX and cat-back. Took the car out to the track the next day and went a tenth and a half quicker than my stock avg, which was high 13.5x's@104-ish to low 13.4x's at 105.
It's actually quite common to see similar gains with a "cat-less" mid-pipe.
Back to Back test runs on Force Fed Performance's Dyno. Gained 13rwhp from a ORX and cat-back. Took the car out to the track the next day and went a tenth and a half quicker than my stock avg, which was high 13.5x's@104-ish to low 13.4x's at 105.It's actually quite common to see similar gains with a "cat-less" mid-pipe.
04-28-2011, 08:06 PM
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Does anyone else here besides "Zones89RS" race
Or does everyone just race their mouths??
As "junk" as that turd gen supposedly is atleast he's willing to back his **** up with a track vid. Can't say the same about anyone else.
And that comment about the 5.0 with the tach gift certificate is so true. LOL
Or does everyone just race their mouths??As "junk" as that turd gen supposedly is atleast he's willing to back his **** up with a track vid. Can't say the same about anyone else.
And that comment about the 5.0 with the tach gift certificate is so true. LOL
04-28-2011, 08:18 PM
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I love how this thread has went all sorts of different directions haha
zones89rs; what did the car end up running at HMP? I made a decent pass out there a few weeks ago and the track actually hooked hard which surprised me.
zones89rs; what did the car end up running at HMP? I made a decent pass out there a few weeks ago and the track actually hooked hard which surprised me.
04-28-2011, 08:43 PM
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More with stipulations... C'mon... You're BLAMING Ford for making a more efficient automobile as if it's wrong.
Changing things? You're MAKING IT UP AS YOU GO, but I can't even point it out? ...
I'd like to get his version of your story on this.
It's certainly not as plain and simple as you make it sound. As a guy who had a 9 second Fox body, I know a thing or two about how one does it.I saw a 10.4x string of passes from a 306 powered N/A 86 Fox body back in like 1996. Factory block and all, including heads. A guy I know had a 1989 DD that ran 10's... Stock heads, even. That one had a power adder in the form of a single turbo. He was also a Ford tech at the time, 92-94 and is still a well known tuner in his area. Both those guys eventually got their own in-ground dyno's, which simply shows they knew enough about what they were doing to make money at it.
The guy with the 86 also had an 88 that ran 9.3's in 1993 and eventually, a W block in a 95 GTS that ran 8.25 @169.98mph in 2001 while missing only cats and otherwise being 100% street legal. He even drove 30 miles with other cars to prove it was suitable for street driving(escorted by police), just before setting the record in "Wild Street" at the World Ford Challenge. I have no question, your car isn't legal, but "street trim" can mean anything you want it to mean, as long as you don't get caught.
The point is, you're NEVER going to use a 6.0L block and do better than others have using Ford engines. Nobody is within 3 seconds that I'm aware of, but maybe you can show us...
Just stating facts.
Also just stating what is on the street that i run against, street cars, not gutted race cars.
The 9 sec fox is FS i think, SN is BillyFlantos, if you like i will find it, but it is a 9 second car all motor with a iron 6.0, LS2 heads, stock ports, just milled .040.
And a 306 is not stock bore, the 302 blocks are not to be discredited, they will hold power, but like the LS1, the have 4 bolts per cylinder requiring creativity to hold boost at high numbers.
I know how hard they can run though, just NA in a car that weights 3200 pounds, they do not perform as well, especially heavier.
Have a buddy names Mustang Billy, he was pushing a junkyard 302 so hard that people were not wanting to believe it was a stock motor, he tore it down to prove it. They will run, but in stock form, they just dont push hard enough to me, that is what a 351 or a LS swap is for, if the LS didnt run so well, then why are so many doing the swap and not a W block? Cheaper and effective, just as.
04-28-2011, 08:47 PM
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Actually, I'm pretty sure a 351W swap is cheaper and easier to do than an LSx or LQ4 swap in a foxbody. Lots of people do LSx swaps to be different, or they are just more familiar with GM motors. Not to mention all the truck motors out there to swap in.
04-28-2011, 08:51 PM
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Zoner do you base your info on Ford motors from experience from building and racing Ford motors? or just out of pure speculation? Stock bottom end short block with forged internals or what? you didn't make it very clear on your comparison against the w block.I can understand that you hate Fords but at least make since lol! Are you talking about a 6.0 from a gto aluminum block? or an iron block 6.0 ? also what heads ect... there are many mustangs with small cubed Ford push rod motors that run in the nines and yes in street trim. So what it doesn't matter the make , its about how deep your pockets are. This brand loyal **** is stupid. And yes an lsx 6.0 would be cool in a fox, but not necessary.
And i was speaking stock shortblocks, stock short block for short block, and i was speaking of the iron truck motors, not the LS2.
And for 9s in street trim, of course, but i am speaking NA. Cold day in hell before a street trim 302 goes 9s all motor, i am sure there might be someone out there that has done so "claiming" a stock motor, but we all know how that goes, like me running game, i say it is a stock truck motor with a cam, i dont mention it is a LS base and all that, LOL.
As of now, there have been more LS swaps in mustangs than ANY other platform that is non GM, there is a reason.
7.1 average, HMP hooks better than any other track around Houston, i love it. Going to get the 243 heads on in a few months or so, see if i can dial in some 6.8s or so, needs a clutch too, the DFX is on the raggedy *** edge and just will not hold any more pwoer, then go to Baytown to get kicked for a 10 second motor pass, LOL. No roll bar or anything in my car, just have a suit and helmet.
04-28-2011, 08:55 PM
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Direct swap? Yea, make the power a LS with a cam swap can? No. Heads and what not make the W swap go up, allot, then a trans to hold it from a ford design is higher than a TH350 which is everywhere(not to mention a GM trans is swapped behind more non GM motors than any other trans but that is another discussion, LOL), then the LS is also screaming 7000 with no bitch and reliably, the W motor, not so much. The stock LS oiling and everything is just up to par, but we are talking new VS old, i am sure someone will bring that up. The 302s shorter stroke doesnt mind 7000 is some cases, not so much for me, i killed a couple 302s in my day.
04-28-2011, 08:58 PM
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Direct swap? Yea, make the power a LS with a cam swap can? No. Heads and what not make the W swap go up, allot, then a trans to hold it from a ford design is higher than a TH350 which is everywhere(not to mention a GM trans is swapped behind more non GM motors than any other trans but that is another discussion, LOL), then the LS is also screaming 7000 with no bitch and reliably, the W motor, not so much. The stock LS oiling and everything is just up to par, but we are talking new VS old, i am sure someone will bring that up. The 302s shorter stroke doesnt mind 7000 is some cases, not so much for me, i killed a couple 302s in my day.
04-28-2011, 09:01 PM
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A 351 making as much power as a old SBC yes, but a higher revving LS, not likely, they are RPM limited until you mod the lower end. The reality is, with aftermarket, a GM and Ford with the same cubes will make roughly the same power if they are the same platform like pushrod motors.
Here is something for you ford boys that never ventured from the blue oval, this is how GM did the 302 and it was stock in the 1st gen camaro, 8000 RPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYrqGPps1ek
Here is something for you ford boys that never ventured from the blue oval, this is how GM did the 302 and it was stock in the 1st gen camaro, 8000 RPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYrqGPps1ek
04-28-2011, 09:04 PM
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04-28-2011, 09:07 PM
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A 351 making as much power as a old SBC yes, but a higher revving LS, not likely, they are RPM limited until you mod the lower end. The reality is, with aftermarket, a GM and Ford with the same cubes will make roughly the same power if they are the same platform like pushrod motors.
Here is something for you ford boys that never ventured from the blue oval, this is how GM did the 302 and it was stock in the 1st gen camaro, 8000 RPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYrqGPps1ek
Here is something for you ford boys that never ventured from the blue oval, this is how GM did the 302 and it was stock in the 1st gen camaro, 8000 RPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYrqGPps1ek
04-28-2011, 09:47 PM
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