Originally Posted by It'llrun

I don't get the whole "many years" thing... This is the 1st year Ford has used it in any production vehicle. It isn't like GM hasn't had many years as well... 4.6 Northstar, for like 2 decades now. GM isn't "not" on top... They'll run out of cubic inches at some point, which explains the blower. If 638hp isn't enough from the factory, whoever thinks that should open their own manufacturing plant, then build and sell their own cars...

From what I've read, the only engine really "in the works" is the 5.5L(which may be any CI for production) and while it will be good, I'm not convinced it will out-perform the 5L if both go DI. From the looks, the 5.5 will be DI from the start no matter the cubes(maybe 5.7L?). The 5L is also prepared for DI already, so we'll have to see what they come up with later.

I'm expecting the GT500 to use the 5L soon(maybe next yr as a 2013), with DI. Otherwise, it's the only platform for the 5.4L anymore. I think they're simply using up stock before the changeover. The other option is the one serious Ford fans are frothing at the mouth over... 6.2L.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Apperantly someone's memeory of stock mach's being fast is a little off....even if they did et o.k.(13.5+/- for a good one) their mph was not as good as a ls fbody.

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

Are you completely retarded? You can't just slap on parts and be fast. Supercharged 4.6s depend on amount of boost on how they run, gear ratio, driver's skill, weight of car, tune, etc etc...

Originally Posted by It'llrun

From what I've read, the only engine really "in the works" is the 5.5L(which may be any CI for production) and while it will be good, I'm not convinced it will out-perform the 5L if both go DI. From the looks, the 5.5 will be DI from the start no matter the cubes(maybe 5.7L?). The 5L is also prepared for DI already, so we'll have to see what they come up with later.

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

That is because some of the little bitch GM owners WILL find a way to take credit away from a Mustang if it infact performs better than a GM, even if they contradict themselves while doing it.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

This means nothing coming from someone who drives a glorified honda..

It's always been about the mph to me....alothough it is nice to have a blance. Everyone likes a car that runs hard out the back too,and that will win more roll races.

Originally Posted by ZONES89RS

These cars were actually shop built, idiot.

I am talking about NA cars and there was one that was SCed, ran good but did not beat a stock 97 vette, the vette i mention did run 12.9.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

This means nothing coming from someone who drives a glorified honda..

Originally Posted by ZONES89RS

Man, you are right there with me, i love running the times i run and i am always getting faster, but these mustangs, the older fox bodys and the SN95 2V guys never want to play in the 1/4 mile, they know they can jump out and might hold some land for the 1/8th but they know i will come around leaving them sitting still in the 1/4 mile, they REFUSE to run me 1/4 on the street and they will not roll race me due to knowing they will get destroyed.

Originally Posted by ZONES89RS

These cars were actually shop built, idiot.

I am talking about NA cars and there was one that was SCed, ran good but did not beat a stock 97 vette, the vette i mention did run 12.9.

Originally Posted by ZONES89RS

Man, you are right there with me, i love running the times i run and i am always getting faster, but these mustangs, the older fox bodys and the SN95 2V guys never want to play in the 1/4 mile, they know they can jump out and might hold some land for the 1/8th but they know i will come around leaving them sitting still in the 1/4 mile, they REFUSE to run me 1/4 on the street and they will not roll race me due to knowing they will get destroyed.

Originally Posted by It'llrun

Whoop'tydo... Now it's a mph race? Sheesh... Some people will stop at NOTHING to say, "But mine's better anyway" in this contest of idiocy.

Originally Posted by It'llrun

I don't get the whole "many years" thing... This is the 1st year Ford has used it in any production vehicle. It isn't like GM hasn't had many years as well... 4.6 Northstar, for like 2 decades now. GM isn't "not" on top... They'll run out of cubic inches at some point, which explains the blower. If 638hp isn't enough from the factory, whoever thinks that should open their own manufacturing plant, then build and sell their own cars...

Originally Posted by It'llrun

Oh.. So now the stock 1997 Corvette was just "all that and a bag of chips," I'm sure... I'm also sure that people, particularly Corvette owners with the LS1, weren't PISSED that Z/28's were beating them on the 1/4 mile... The idea of being lucky is merely due to the rarity of the race(he probably raced ZERO of them in reality) happening as well as the fact the two were actually quite close, so a mistake driving could and would often decide the race. Or perhaps you only remember the auto Mach 1 and forgot about the manual transmissioned version...

.3-.4 difference EASILY makes a stock 1997 LS1 Corvette a 12.90 or quicker car... Nope, that was NOT happening.

http://www.musclecardrive.com/ford/2...ang-mach-1.php
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/516955-post1.html (don't ask me where the info here came from).
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...h_1/index.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3173111AAnlg7W

I'm not about magazine racing, but it's not like we have a couple factory stock versions to choose from here.

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

GM has always had to use cubes to compete with the smaller Ford n/a motors, even then it didn't always work.(see 80's, early 90's, 20000, current.) And even when it DID work it didnt work nearly as good as is should IMO.(see 98-current)

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

GM has always had to use cubes to compete with the smaller Ford n/a motors, even then it didn't always work.(see 80's, early 90's, 20000, current.) And even when it DID work it didnt work nearly as good as is should IMO.(see 98-current)

Originally Posted by JHL88

so what you're saying for example is basically a LS1 fbody should have a greater margin of destroying a new edge gt?

Originally Posted by JD_AMG

I just have to quote this for the sheer hypocrisy.
EVERY one of your posts has something to do with trying to convince people that the Mustang is somehow better than car X.
For example...


This tired old argument AGAIN?
Clearly then Ford couldn't figure out how to get any more power out of the 4.6L mod motor, so they just threw a blower on it for the Cobras. Or Ford couldn't figure out how to get more than ~415hp out of the new 5.0L coyotee. These are your arguments turned around, can you see how utterly stupid they are?
GM chooses to use the displacement they use, and chooses to use a blower on the ZR1, its not a matter of "running out of displacement" or "running out of technology" or "can't figure out" - its a matter of CHOICE.

The fact of the matter still remains, GM's LS3 is still smaller, lighter, cheaper and more powerful (more importantly more torquey) than the Coyotee engine, end of story.