2004 pbm GTO vs Ram air Trans am..
07-19-2011, 12:00 PM
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Im referring to the M112 tranny and gearing that come on the ls1 gto's, ls1 corvettes, and z06 corvettes..unlike the fbods..[/QUOTE]
Oh ok, i never knew that so id have to research it. I will say this i ran a friend 05 GTO with longtubes and he walked me by atleast 2 cars. But ive also ran a 2001 t/a with ram air, long tubes, and exhaust and kept up with him. The T/A was auto and lagged during lower power rranges, but the longtubes help make up for it, he put maybe a half car on me. I have SLP Lid, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, K&N, and cat-back magniflow exhaust.
Oh ok, i never knew that so id have to research it. I will say this i ran a friend 05 GTO with longtubes and he walked me by atleast 2 cars. But ive also ran a 2001 t/a with ram air, long tubes, and exhaust and kept up with him. The T/A was auto and lagged during lower power rranges, but the longtubes help make up for it, he put maybe a half car on me. I have SLP Lid, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, K&N, and cat-back magniflow exhaust.
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07-19-2011, 01:27 PM
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sorry man I'll buy the fact that you did beat the t/a and hell it may have even been 2 cars but the t/a either had a terrible driver that was in a dead spot or the car was running like crap. an ls2 gto is a drivers race for an fbody an ls1 car even a modded one such as yours should be a dead heat with a stock fbody providing the guy was a decent driver and didnt have his a4 in a dead spot.
Oh ok, i never knew that so id have to research it. I will say this i ran a friend 05 GTO with longtubes and he walked me by atleast 2 cars. But ive also ran a 2001 t/a with ram air, long tubes, and exhaust and kept up with him. The T/A was auto and lagged during lower power rranges, but the longtubes help make up for it, he put maybe a half car on me. I have SLP Lid, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, K&N, and cat-back magniflow exhaust. I'd say that is almost on target while the ls2 is a good race mod for mod the lt's shouldnt give him two cars. maybe he out drove you a little too? The t/a is about right if he had a tune to help out with shift times and torque management I think it would have been a little worse. My buddy has a full bolt on ws6 and when my z was just a full bolt on ls1 with the gears it would be a dead nuts race with us as long as my auto was in a good roll spot.
I was waiting for someone to say this. And hell the mn12 isnt a huge improvement first gear is 2.97 instead of 2.66....amazing
Oh ok, i never knew that so id have to research it. I will say this i ran a friend 05 GTO with longtubes and he walked me by atleast 2 cars. But ive also ran a 2001 t/a with ram air, long tubes, and exhaust and kept up with him. The T/A was auto and lagged during lower power rranges, but the longtubes help make up for it, he put maybe a half car on me. I have SLP Lid, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, K&N, and cat-back magniflow exhaust.
07-19-2011, 01:47 PM
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Im a hundred percent sure this was not an LT1 trans am it was a blacked out trans am ram air with red patches on his hood... I know my cars ive been racing cars for at least the past 6 years and attend the track atleast 2wice a month thnx though 
I have a hard time believing an lt1 will hang with any ls1 gto mod for mod my friend had an lt1 camaro with bolt ons...i c them at the track run 14's to mid 13's on slicks all the time..like I said im no rookie driver...i run 13.2's on street tires in 90° weather in my ls1 goat...thats easy 12 on slicks and cooler weather prob not gonna happen in your lt1 just saying
I have a hard time believing an lt1 will hang with any ls1 gto mod for mod my friend had an lt1 camaro with bolt ons...i c them at the track run 14's to mid 13's on slicks all the time..like I said im no rookie driver...i run 13.2's on street tires in 90° weather in my ls1 goat...thats easy 12 on slicks and cooler weather prob not gonna happen in your lt1 just saying
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I'd say that is almost on target while the ls2 is a good race mod for mod the lt's shouldnt give him two cars. maybe he out drove you a little too? The t/a is about right if he had a tune to help out with shift times and torque management I think it would have been a little worse. My buddy has a full bolt on ws6 and when my z was just a full bolt on ls1 with the gears it would be a dead nuts race with us as long as my auto was in a good roll spot.
yea at the time I had the stock shifter(
) and i hadnt raced that much. So im sure it was driver mod aswell. Dont know if Nittos made a difference on his car, and i had bfg KDWs that were riding like plastic at 40% on. Still I need improvement on shifting and how to shift and when to shift... Anyone feel like giving me lessons.
As far as i know the T/A is un-tuned, i told the guy to get a shift kit and he would be super happy. Kool kid though. Did have a few runs at lower gear range were i made him pay lol 3.43s and a M6 lol, but he would pull me slowly at higher rolls...
yea at the time I had the stock shifter(
) and i hadnt raced that much. So im sure it was driver mod aswell. Dont know if Nittos made a difference on his car, and i had bfg KDWs that were riding like plastic at 40% on. Still I need improvement on shifting and how to shift and when to shift... Anyone feel like giving me lessons.As far as i know the T/A is un-tuned, i told the guy to get a shift kit and he would be super happy. Kool kid though. Did have a few runs at lower gear range were i made him pay lol 3.43s and a M6 lol, but he would pull me slowly at higher rolls...
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I prefer the MN6 over the MN12. Primarily because it's a little better around a roadcourse (IMO) because of the more even gearing.
The 3 to 4 drop off (like SRZ mentioned) is pretty shitty.
Also, there is less of a gap between the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts in the MN6, vs the 12.
The MN12 can be better on high speed courses due to it's 5th gear though (unless you want to go over 168mph).
The 3 to 4 drop off (like SRZ mentioned) is pretty shitty.
Also, there is less of a gap between the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts in the MN6, vs the 12.
The MN12 can be better on high speed courses due to it's 5th gear though (unless you want to go over 168mph).
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Anybody know how to post vids here im not to sure...I have a vid racing a stage 2 sti I'd like to post....b4 my tune and few other mods..just a fun run to give a lil point of view how my gto runs..This threads giving me a headache..
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sorry man I'll buy the fact that you did beat the t/a and hell it may have even been 2 cars but the t/a either had a terrible driver that was in a dead spot or the car was running like crap. an ls2 gto is a drivers race for an fbody an ls1 car even a modded one such as yours should be a dead heat with a stock fbody providing the guy was a decent driver and didnt have his a4 in a dead spot.
I'd say that is almost on target while the ls2 is a good race mod for mod the lt's shouldnt give him two cars. maybe he out drove you a little too? The t/a is about right if he had a tune to help out with shift times and torque management I think it would have been a little worse. My buddy has a full bolt on ws6 and when my z was just a full bolt on ls1 with the gears it would be a dead nuts race with us as long as my auto was in a good roll spot.
I was waiting for someone to say this. And hell the mn12 isnt a huge improvement first gear is 2.97 instead of 2.66....amazing
I'd say that is almost on target while the ls2 is a good race mod for mod the lt's shouldnt give him two cars. maybe he out drove you a little too? The t/a is about right if he had a tune to help out with shift times and torque management I think it would have been a little worse. My buddy has a full bolt on ws6 and when my z was just a full bolt on ls1 with the gears it would be a dead nuts race with us as long as my auto was in a good roll spot.
I was waiting for someone to say this. And hell the mn12 isnt a huge improvement first gear is 2.97 instead of 2.66....amazing
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I'd say that is almost on target while the ls2 is a good race mod for mod the lt's shouldnt give him two cars. maybe he out drove you a little too? The t/a is about right if he had a tune to help out with shift times and torque management I think it would have been a little worse. My buddy has a full bolt on ws6 and when my z was just a full bolt on ls1 with the gears it would be a dead nuts race with us as long as my auto was in a good roll spot.
yea at the time I had the stock shifter() and i hadnt raced that much. So im sure it was driver mod aswell. Dont know if Nittos made a difference on his car, and i had bfg KDWs that were riding like plastic at 40% on. Still I need improvement on shifting and how to shift and when to shift... Anyone feel like giving me lessons.
As far as i know the T/A is un-tuned, i told the guy to get a shift kit and he would be super happy. Kool kid though. Did have a few runs at lower gear range were i made him pay lol 3.43s and a M6 lol, but he would pull me slowly at higher rolls...
yea at the time I had the stock shifter(
) and i hadnt raced that much. So im sure it was driver mod aswell. Dont know if Nittos made a difference on his car, and i had bfg KDWs that were riding like plastic at 40% on. Still I need improvement on shifting and how to shift and when to shift... Anyone feel like giving me lessons.As far as i know the T/A is un-tuned, i told the guy to get a shift kit and he would be super happy. Kool kid though. Did have a few runs at lower gear range were i made him pay lol 3.43s and a M6 lol, but he would pull me slowly at higher rolls...
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HOLY HELL this is still going on! stock auto trans am is a mid 13 sec car on a good day! idk why this is still happening. ID like to see that vid vs the sti. curious to see how ya run PBMGTO
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Lmfao...yeah no crap...I dont mind posting it on a new thread. I forgot how this video posting thing goes for forums..
07-19-2011, 07:27 PM
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@screaminredz: I've never looked at the 3-4 gear on those trannys my buddies in his t/a is about shot so I told him to look at the mn12 is it worth it in terms or 1/4 mile times or not really?
HOLY HELL this is still going on! stock auto trans am is a mid 13 sec car on a good day! idk why this is still happening. ID like to see that vid vs the sti. curious to see how ya run PBMGTO