Originally Posted by redbird555

I clearly stated I think your story is true. So idk what your all bent up about? But dont expect that outcome with a properly driven auto fbody. Btw 2 tenths is about 2 car lengths but thats also over the coarse of a 1/4 mile in a roll race where the distance is much shorter and both cars are at speed, theres no way in hell a 2 car race dude. There are plenty of guys on here that will race your m6 gto with their slow autos me being one of them.

@screaminredz: I've never looked at the 3-4 gear on those trannys my buddies in his t/a is about shot so I told him to look at the mn12 is it worth it in terms or 1/4 mile times or not really?


Maybe where you live at altitude thats common but in FL at sea level I see most auto fbody's doing mid 13's and its not uncommon to see a low 13 sec car usually those are 01-02 cars.

Originally Posted by redbird555

I clearly stated I think your story is true. So idk what your all bent up about? But dont expect that outcome with a properly driven auto fbody. Btw 2 tenths is about 2 car lengths but thats also over the coarse of a 1/4 mile in a roll race where the distance is much shorter and both cars are at speed, theres no way in hell a 2 car race dude. There are plenty of guys on here that will race your m6 gto with their slow autos me being one of them.

@screaminredz: I've never looked at the 3-4 gear on those trannys my buddies in his t/a is about shot so I told him to look at the mn12 is it worth it in terms or 1/4 mile times or not really?


Maybe where you live at altitude thats common but in FL at sea level I see most auto fbody's doing mid 13's and its not uncommon to see a low 13 sec car usually those are 01-02 cars.

Originally Posted by 85mustang351

Quick question tho my buddy has an a4 that seems to take 4ever to kick down, from a roll is he better to shift himself or let the tranny do it for him? 410 gears longtubes, x pipe untuned if that makes a difference.

Originally Posted by redbird555

@screaminredz: I've never looked at the 3-4 gear on those trannys my buddies in his t/a is about shot so I told him to look at the mn12 is it worth it in terms or 1/4 mile times or not really?

Originally Posted by PBMGTO

Thats fine I'd gladly run them I never said they were slow autos.."Properly driven" How hard is it to drive an auto?? You stomp on the gas... lmao 2 car race?? yes DUDE I was there I witnessed it...

Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ

I believe it's worth something in the 1/4. PSM's car only made 408 rwhp and everyone told him it wouldn't get out of it's own way. Here's his best pass with the car (full weight, 4.10 gears, MT ET Streets). Keep in mind, this was a cold day at Atco.
Idk how someone would say a 408whp car wont get out of its own way lol but ya that thing moves out real nice. Is it possible to just change the gear sets inside the t56 or would we need a whole mn12 case? I dont think we would though as both trannys are t56's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKVCiIRMRWw

Originally Posted by 85mustang351

Im sure that it is a lot more common with the 01 02 ls6 intake cars, the earlier ones would struggle mightly to see low 13's. Certainly not saying that it hasnt been done a ton of times but for the most part they arent gonna do it. Throw some tires on there and a lid and voila low 13's but in true stock form mid 13's are def the norm. From a roll they have a couple of pretty big dead spots, especially if you dont know what you are doing with em.

Originally Posted by redbird555

How many time must I repeat myself that yes I have no doubt you beat the t/a by that much???? All I'm saying is that the driver probably sucked and had the auto in a dead spot. Because basically what your saying is you took a car that weighs 200-300lbs more with another 40whp and decimated the other car in a short roll race. And yes I say decimated because a 2 car lead in that short of a roll race is a beat down, much more that .2 over the length of a 1/4 mile.Btw it is very possible to screw up driving an auto.. For example launching it in a dead spot, not holding a gear during a roll race which would take the time of the car to downshift out of the equation, learning how to stab the gas from a dig without spinning...



Ya my 02 always edged out my buddies 98 when we were both stock not by much but every time we ran I could pull him. Mid 13's is very average and ya I agree with you most low 13 sec cars I have seen were 01-02's but just in case you dont already know 01-02 cars had the ls6 intake but they also had a smaller cam than 98-00 cars.

Originally Posted by Mike Morris

LS6 intake will not get 17-23 RWHP LOL. On a mild car its worth maybe a tenth

Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ

I believe it's worth something in the 1/4. PSM's car only made 408 rwhp and everyone told him it wouldn't get out of it's own way. Here's his best pass with the car (full weight, 4.10 gears, MT ET Streets). Keep in mind, this was a cold day at Atco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKVCiIRMRWw

Originally Posted by BlackDemonSS

Also the 2001-2002 cars had better heads to make up for the smaller cam. 98-00 Big cam, not so good heads, ls1 intake= lol. Chevy High Performance or Camaro Performer magazine tested the LS6 intake manifold to increase power at the wheels from 17-23hp and 27-34lbs tq

Originally Posted by Mike Morris

LS6 intake will not get 17-23 RWHP LOL. On a mild car its worth maybe a tenth

Originally Posted by FlatBlackZ28

And please, can you stop with the "My car would totally run 12's if I did this and this. All the guys in the magazine did it so I should too."

Run 12's and then repost.

As far as your original post, it was a good kill.

Concerning the rest of this thread, stop calling everyone a homo and using all this profanity. I'm kind of surprised this thread hasn't been locked and/or you haven't been banned.

Originally Posted by FlatBlackZ28

I doubt it...but your right half these kids on here are ridiculous..Im lmao as I write this. You sound like lil ricers...MY VTAK WILL BLOW YOURS AWAY...


OOOOOK.
My lowly A4 LT1 running a 12.5 in 86 degree weather and a 3500 DA must not be good enough to beat your almighty GTO. It would probably hurt your feelings to know how much I DON'T have done to the car.

Originally Posted by BlackDemonSS

Also the 2001-2002 cars had better heads to make up for the smaller cam. 98-00 Big cam, not so good heads, ls1 intake= lol. Chevy High Performance or Camaro Performer magazine tested the LS6 intake manifold to increase power at the wheels from 17-23hp and 27-34lbs tq

Originally Posted by redbird555

I saw that article and I'm pretty sure it was at the flywheel which would be about 12hp at the wheels which is about what everyone gains. And about the heads, I'm waiting for someone to post flow numbers of the heads. The only difference between 853 and 241 heads is that the 241 heads are sand cast which produces a smoother casting its worth maybe 5 hp at best. I believe if they are actually a little faster its most likely the ls6 intake and the slightly better heads that overthrow the camshaft. Btw the fastest magazine time was clocked at 12.8 at 110 I believe was the trap? Anyway it was done in a 98 6spd.

Originally Posted by 916 BREDWNR

The difference between the 98-00 vs 01-02 cars is minimal. Both have been 12's stock by the same driver. The '98 going quicker/faster than the '01 actually.

Originally Posted by redbird555

How many time must I repeat myself that yes I have no doubt you beat the t/a by that much???? All I'm saying is that the driver probably sucked and had the auto in a dead spot. Because basically what your saying is you took a car that weighs 200-300lbs more with another 40whp and decimated the other car in a short roll race. And yes I say decimated because a 2 car lead in that short of a roll race is a beat down, much more that .2 over the length of a 1/4 mile.Btw it is very possible to screw up driving an auto.. For example launching it in a dead spot, not holding a gear during a roll race which would take the time of the car to downshift out of the equation, learning how to stab the gas from a dig without spinning...



Ya my 02 always edged out my buddies 98 when we were both stock not by much but every time we ran I could pull him. Mid 13's is very average and ya I agree with you most low 13 sec cars I have seen were 01-02's but just in case you dont already know 01-02 cars had the ls6 intake but they also had a smaller cam than 98-00 cars.

Originally Posted by nmbr5ml

With tuning it's a little more manageable, otherwise you can't always be sure what will happen with an A4. When mine was stock I could floor it from 35 mph and 8 of 10 times it would shift into 1st just long enough to roar, spin the tires and shift. (Now it will do that every time) Other 2 times it would stay in 2nd and I would be furious. Still, manual shifting isnt the answer (just my opinion) from a roll because if it spins you will hit the rev limiter. Manual shifting makes sense from a dead stop or very slow roll because then if you spin so bad you have to let out, the car will still be in first. Do that in D and you'll be in 2nd or even 3rd and, of course, done.

The higher stall converter is a great mod for straight-line performance in an A4, but with tuning you can change upshift & downshift points for wide-open and part throttle, adjust shift firmness and disable the torque management. Even without a higher stall tuning helps a lot. In stock form our A4s can be kind of unpredictable and frustrating.