stock 2000 Z28 vs stock 1987 5.0
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I used to race there a lot before it closed. I was in my Calispo green LX hatch with Chrome Ponies-1999-2000 blown 302 with Powerdyne,then Vortech S trim. My 2nd to last pass there was 11.49 at 127 MPH-put race gas in it and advanced timing by 1 degree. Next run BOOM with the stock block
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7.32 using factory stock heads? Even with a 175 shot, I don't think so... I'd be happily surprised to see one go 8.40's without head mods, or replacement to something decent.
If those are legitimate times using factory stock '87-93 heads... That was one of the best tracks in the world!![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
If those are legitimate times using factory stock '87-93 heads... That was one of the best tracks in the world!
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Not trying to be a jerk, I just didn't like your wording.
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You must of not know what the **** you was doing. 92notch had a 19?? mustang notchback with a stock engine, i dont know all of the mod,rear end ratio and such , weight reduction blah blah blah, Im sure he can tell you 100% stock engine with the timing set to 14 degrees, tps set to .999 and a cone air filter, i think it even had stock "headers" on it, i went a 13.1 in it on a tire. at only 101 or 102mph. so dont say they cant do that just cause you never did.
Guess cause you cant run a 40 yard dash in 4.3 sec nobody can right????![Cheers!!](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_cheers.gif)
Guess cause you cant run a 40 yard dash in 4.3 sec nobody can right????
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No... Your truck is still slower, but now you can see just how slow it really is!
What I find funny is, on a site like this one, people talking about any Mustang pre-2011 usually get laughed at and everyone generally says they were a 14-15 second car... Suddenly, here we are discussing mid-low 8's(and even low 7's) on the 1/8th with essentially stock versions of a car that ran 9.7's or so "back in the day" and often still do... Somehow, there are a few which, with extremely limited mods, knocked off 1.5 seconds or so and nobody bats an eye...
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Anyone convinced their 1990ish Mustang 5L can run so well at full weight, with a factory stock engine should line it up against a factory stock 1999 Camaro SS and show that LS1 owner what's really up! Oh, and... good luck with that.
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it'll run your to ****** stupid to see whats going on! the fox cars 1/8 mile real hard and fall off after! Ive ran this race your tanking about and first and second gear the camaros got its hands full and after the mustang shifts to 3rd the camaro's gonna buss length it. real easy to see look at mustang mph in the quarter vs camaro mph. Did you not see my **** mph i posted my gutted car ran? Come on guys whats a stock ss mph at? Way beter than my 103. there is your explination!
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One more example and I'm done. During these days back in 97-99 I ran up on my first LS1 in my 5.0. The best i could run on my street tires was a 9.07, can't believe I remember that. Anyway I also had a 95 TA 6sp car. On slicks at full weight leaving soft and granny shifting i went a 9.02 in the eighth. That same night I ran a 98 or 99 Firebird and he went a 8.90 first pass on stock street tires in an auto car. I could have sworn he had something done to his car but he said it was stock. Back then I didn't believe him but now looking back he was slow for an LS1. Basically everything is relative to time, person and place. I only wish I knew then what I know now about the ls1 engine. NO ONE in the right mind would believe a stock motor ls1 with cam and spray would run a 6.25 at 110. However we did not having the tuning technology back then we do now and just in the past few years people have got to the point where they fully understand how nitrous works.
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it'll run your to ****** stupid to see whats going on! the fox cars 1/8 mile real hard and fall off after! Ive ran this race your tanking about and first and second gear the camaros got its hands full and after the mustang shifts to 3rd the camaro's gonna buss length it. real easy to see look at mustang mph in the quarter vs camaro mph. Did you not see my **** mph i posted my gutted car ran? Come on guys whats a stock ss mph at? Way beter than my 103. there is your explination!
You don't know jack didly about Mustangs OR F-bodies... Any fool who thinks Fox body Mustangs 1/8th well while stock, has apparently never driven a quick car.
Failure is your master, evidently. When comparing the 99 SS to your supposed 13.1 Mustang, it's not about mph, DOPE! It's about 1/4 mile ET... I don't care if the car you're racing against traps at 6,000mph, all that matters is which crosses the line 1st and the average stock 99 SS isn't running quicker than 13.1, but it IS mopping the floor with a stock Fox body!
Go try to tickle some other dudes nuts... Mine aren't interested.
However, when all you boys with those badass fast cars make it to Florida for a vacation, lemme know so I can direct you to a drag strip and watch all you great 20-somethin's tear up the track in your awesomely close to stock terrors! 13.1's with a stock engine... 2580 lb while the glass is still in... pfft... You "dawgs" are barkin'... but nobody's feeling any bite...
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I remember those days too. I was running low 13s and rarely high 12s on street radials n/a. Ported GT40 heads,honed Cobra intake,long tubes,E cam(then F-car slowed down),81MM prom,410s blah blah. I could beat bolt LS1s from a stop since there were not that many bolt ons then(Grottys were the only headers,whisper lid the best lid etc..). When cammed ones started popping up and I saw a4 cars with converters going mid 12s I went with Forced Induction and X heads to compete. Only one I lost to was a gutted,a4 cammed car with spray on slicks from a stop. I remember the flame wars back then on CamaroZ28.com with the LT1 guys vs the LS1 guys-was nuts!!!
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Nice 60' Mike. The last time I ran at 75/80 was years ago. That place used to be really slick. I got sideways in 3rd there once when I was damn near stock. We (03mach) and some other friends went there pretty often to watch on Fri. nights. That place would be packed and the women thought it was a fashion show...it was great. All the brotha's in the stands would be talkin smack and betting....I would lmao.[/QUOTE]
Its much better now-here is a vid earlier this year-1.6 sixty foot. Had this been back in 01 I would have ended up in the stands. The trick is to run after the big boys run because they prep the track for them before every run.
Nice 60' Mike. The last time I ran at 75/80 was years ago. That place used to be really slick. I got sideways in 3rd there once when I was damn near stock. We (03mach) and some other friends went there pretty often to watch on Fri. nights. That place would be packed and the women thought it was a fashion show...it was great. All the brotha's in the stands would be talkin smack and betting....I would lmao.[/QUOTE]
Its much better now-here is a vid earlier this year-1.6 sixty foot. Had this been back in 01 I would have ended up in the stands. The trick is to run after the big boys run because they prep the track for them before every run.
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we were talking about 1/8 and now your saying 1/4. as for too,two and to 1. Im going TO your house to **** your wife. 2.I fucked your wife TWO times! and when your neighbor told me he fucked your wife i said "WOW me TOO! I dont wanna hear how childish that was because he was the child first being grammar police and state bashing!
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we were talking about 1/8 and now your saying 1/4. as for too,two and to 1. Im going TO your house to **** your wife. 2.I fucked your wife TWO times! and when your neighbor told me he fucked your wife i said "WOW me TOO! I dont wanna hear how childish that was because he was the child first being grammar police and state bashing!
My 92' Lx hatchback 5.0, it was a m5, 3.73s, shorty bbk headers,off-rd x,f 303 cam, with new valve springs, stock heads,intake and bottom with a street tire went, 8.3-8.5 in the 1/8 and would run 13.2 - 13.4 in the 1/4. Never weighted it back than , but it had full interior minus a/c stuff and a couple other little things.
You must of not know what the **** you was doing. 92notch had a 19?? mustang notchback with a stock engine, i dont know all of the mod,rear end ratio and such , weight reduction blah blah blah, Im sure he can tell you 100% stock engine with the timing set to 14 degrees, tps set to .999 and a cone air filter, i think it even had stock "headers" on it, i went a 13.1 in it on a tire. at only 101 or 102mph. so dont say they cant do that just cause you never did.
Guess cause you cant run a 40 yard dash in 4.3 sec nobody can right????![Cheers!!](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_cheers.gif)
Guess cause you cant run a 40 yard dash in 4.3 sec nobody can right????
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It was actually 13.01 and couldnt get it to go in the 12,s no matter what! If it was a beter day it wuold have went 12.99 or so at least! it was gutted weighed 2580 lbs still had glass no lexan but only carpet seats dash and door panels. Only mods: h pipe, 373s cheap filter from advance auto parts on mass air meter. It would mph at 103........................................ next car 89 lx hatch 13.6 @103mph i know its weird the mph the same guess no power 2 take either out back. mods on that one were: cabra intake 65mm, tb, bbk headers. h pipe, 355s, and cone filter that one had absolutely no weight reduction.
I may add more on this later, but for now... I'll just wait for the peanut gallery to chime in about how awesome their stock vehicles are...
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[QUOTE=It'llrun;15443273]That looks like you're saying your car ran 9.174 with 3 mods and a basically 100% stock engine... QUOTE] Who said stock??? I listed the mods! STOCK ENGINE cant you read? and they dont weight 2500 pounds stock do they? and we as in (ur not the only person in this thread speaking ) were stating our 8th mile times that ur dumb *** thinks are impossible.
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Odd, ain't it... That guys like you and I needed mods like you mentioned to run the numbers they've done with no actual engine mods...
yes it takes those mods to run low 13s in a stock weigth fox! BUT I DID 5OO PLUS LBS OF WEIGHT REDUCTION TO THE 13.01 CAR WICH IS EQUAL TO THE BOLT ON STUFF YOU ALL DID I JUST LEFT THE MOTOR ALONE
yes it takes those mods to run low 13s in a stock weigth fox! BUT I DID 5OO PLUS LBS OF WEIGHT REDUCTION TO THE 13.01 CAR WICH IS EQUAL TO THE BOLT ON STUFF YOU ALL DID I JUST LEFT THE MOTOR ALONE
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Who said stock??? I listed the mods! STOCK ENGINE cant you read? and they dont weight 2500 pounds stock do they? and we as in (ur not the only person in this thread speaking ) were stating our 8th mile times that ur dumb *** thinks are impossible.
Odd, ain't it... That guys like you and I needed mods like you mentioned to run the numbers they've done with no actual engine mods...
yes it takes those mods to run low 13s in a stock weigth fox! BUT I DID 5OO PLUS LBS OF WEIGHT REDUCTION TO THE 13.01 CAR WICH IS EQUAL TO THE BOLT ON STUFF YOU ALL DID I JUST LEFT THE MOTOR ALONE
yes it takes those mods to run low 13s in a stock weigth fox! BUT I DID 5OO PLUS LBS OF WEIGHT REDUCTION TO THE 13.01 CAR WICH IS EQUAL TO THE BOLT ON STUFF YOU ALL DID I JUST LEFT THE MOTOR ALONE
You claim to have removed 500 lb... BULLSHIT! You also claim the car weighed 2500 lb... It weighed more than 3100 when stock... That said, you'd have had to remove over 600 lb from it to get it to 2500 and believe it or not, you DIDN'T! How would I know? Because I've had 7 of these cars and I know more about them than you EVER will. You're not bright enough to learn all I know, so just continue on your childish ways of calling names and making an utter fool of yourself.
Next, you'll be telling us you put in an aftermarket K-member, fuel cell, battery system(moved to the rear), air bag, Kirkey racing seat, straight geared 5spd, D/S loop, Wilwood brakes, C-clip eliminators, removed the window motors, tossed the factory guages, replaced the steering wheel, used unobtainium for your chasis structure... You're a wannabe...
My own 87 coupe weighed about 2700 w/o me and it had NO interiors except the dash and my aftermarket electronics, plus a roll cage... No A/C, no P/S(Flaming River rack), Chromemoly K-member and supporting suspension pieces, a single plastic racing seat, 5pt harness, window net, nitrous system, 3spd auto, fully upgraded 8.8 rear, the engine... Not even the lights were installed and it weighed more than you claim your car does by over 100 lb... I scaled it at various tracks where I raced. It had factory glass, but no way to open or close the windows, and a plastic fuel cell. The only thing I'm sure weighed more than your similar component was the BG400 fuel pump and accompanying fuel lines, along with the roll cage you surely didn't have and the sub-frame connectors... I guess those must weight a couple hundred...
Of course, it also had aluminum heads (TFS-R by Brian Tooley), which weigh much less than stock(like 22 lb less) and a fiberglass hood. No... You've not listed ANY of these things, but you claim to have made the car weigh 2500 lb... JUST be removing things... The only way you could've dropped that much weight is to also remove the engine, or at least transmission... WANNABE!
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wrong sawzalled the **** out the chassis, 2 escort seats, no heater box, no bumper supports no cage, no subframe, connectors pin on hood pin on trunk stock kmember. no wipers or wiper motor, dont tell me it cant be done, no soundeadening doors cut panels re installed, drivers seat belt only, no radio, list goes on and on and on and has been done many other times. your car was probly a hatch with ur cage there is the difference.
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"Originally Posted by Mike Morris
I remember those days too. I was running low 13s and rarely high 12s on street radials n/a. Ported GT40 heads,honed Cobra intake,long tubes,E cam(then F-car slowed down),81MM prom,410s blah blah.
Odd, ain't it... That guys like you and I needed mods like you mentioned to run the numbers they've done with no actual engine mods...
I may add more on this later, but for now... I'll just wait for the peanut gallery to chime in about how awesome their stock vehicles are..."
Yea but I did mistakes with that car when it was n/a. Could have ran a better cam,1.7 rockers instead of 1.6 with E,upgraded to a stupid F cam with stock CR and n/a and should have ran an auto computer instead of the Cobra EEC which sucked![Sad](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_sad.gif)
I got into into the low 12s with real tires and skinnies,all sway bars on,stock cr,full interior,stock hood blah blah but should have gotten it in the 11s n/a![Sad](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_sad.gif)
I remember those days too. I was running low 13s and rarely high 12s on street radials n/a. Ported GT40 heads,honed Cobra intake,long tubes,E cam(then F-car slowed down),81MM prom,410s blah blah.
Odd, ain't it... That guys like you and I needed mods like you mentioned to run the numbers they've done with no actual engine mods...
I may add more on this later, but for now... I'll just wait for the peanut gallery to chime in about how awesome their stock vehicles are..."
Yea but I did mistakes with that car when it was n/a. Could have ran a better cam,1.7 rockers instead of 1.6 with E,upgraded to a stupid F cam with stock CR and n/a and should have ran an auto computer instead of the Cobra EEC which sucked
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I got into into the low 12s with real tires and skinnies,all sway bars on,stock cr,full interior,stock hood blah blah but should have gotten it in the 11s n/a
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IM SORRY YOU COULDNT DO IT ! but to me low 13s in a fox is still slow when ls fbodies run 13.2s and 13.3s stock or close to that i think. And you better do some reading there are a few guys that have been in high 12s with weight reduction. I didnt get mine there and am not going to make excuses for it. 13.01 was the best e.t. end of story and weighed 2580 with no driver. cast iron heads and stock k member! lol sorry yours weighed 2700 pounds. Or if you didnt wanna cut on yours thats respectable. but a cage weighs at least 60 lbs and im sure you had 20lb subframe connectors, and bumper supports etc. that wasnt as intense as mine. and yes it rattled was noisy, dangerous, and wouldnt pass state inspection. and thats the only reason i let that one go. not 2 mention it sucked in the rain with no wipers! Not worth my breath it'll run. but if anyone wants a 2580 fox that rattles and sucks as a dd pm me ill help ya get it there. lol you will always no more bout f body but never get close on fox knowledge.
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IM SORRY YOU COULDNT DO IT ! but to me low 13s in a fox is still slow when ls fbodies run 13.2s and 13.3s stock or close to that i think. And you better do some reading there are a few guys that have been in high 12s with weight reduction. I didnt get mine there and am not going to make excuses for it. 13.01 was the best e.t. end of story and weighed 2580 with no driver. cast iron heads and stock k member! lol sorry yours weighed 2700 pounds. Or if you didnt wanna cut on yours thats respectable. but a cage weighs at least 60 lbs and im sure you had 20lb subframe connectors, and bumper supports etc. that wasnt as intense as mine. and yes it rattled was noisy, dangerous, and wouldnt pass state inspection. and thats the only reason i let that one go. not 2 mention it sucked in the rain with no wipers! Not worth my breath it'll run. but if anyone wants a 2580 fox that rattles and sucks as a dd pm me ill help ya get it there. lol you will always no more bout f body but never get close on fox knowledge.
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Skinnies and a 8 pound Powerdyne,Powerpipe,injectors,Trex pump put an end to that worry back in 1999
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