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Old 12-13-2011, 05:35 PM
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A da of 3500 is not worth .7 in the 1/4......probably about .25-.3 and 2-3 mph
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
A da of 3500 is not worth .7 in the 1/4......probably about .25-.3 and 2-3 mph
He's talking about with the new mods, I'm assuming.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
A da of 3500 is not worth .7 in the 1/4......probably about .25-.3 and 2-3 mph
Using a DA calculator on Dragtimes.com its actually worth almost .7 and about 4mph. 11.299 @ 124.367 MPH That is going off my 11.80@119 I ran at 35XX and using a flat DA of 3500.

Originally Posted by Killemall
119 mph in a 3500 da aint bad at all. Man an 11.4 at 119 is pretty sweet driving. What was that a 1.6, 60 foot?

A 10.7 at 129 mph should be pretty easy for you now.

Stock tires onthis pass?
60ft was 1.5X on all passes. And with new set up I hope to touch mid 10's. If I was a auto I would want low 10's and trap least 128-132.
Originally Posted by 99peweterls1
Hmm really, Idk that. Thanks for the info. How much timing is run in a 5.0 tune about?
For my N/A set up I was seeing at most 24/25* of timing with not touching the knock sensors.
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Yep. Hes got a snail that makes him faster.

My thing is if he was really just bolt ons and tune and trapped 119 mph then thats pretty impressive anyway you wanna slice it.
Bet a 05 c6 has a hard time doing that.
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Originally Posted by Killemall
Yep. Hes got a snail that makes him faster.

My thing is if he was really just bolt ons and tune and trapped 119 mph then thats pretty impressive anyway you wanna slice it.
Bet a 05 c6 has a hard time doing that.
That was the only mods. A buddy with same mods as me power wise has ran the same trap speed but ran faster ET's. By about .2 in the same da. He had a clutch and DS also. Plus little more weight reduction. We ran same time same track.
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At most every 1000' is worth .1 and 1mph Ohio ......at most.....keep dreaming. I've been on dragtimes too.
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Originally Posted by Z28Z06
I just hope that I don't have a Chinese transmission.. check Youtube 2011 Mustang (MADE IN CHINA ?). Not being a hater, just thought you should know.
Big deal... The auto isn't made there and it isn't like the Tremec is American made either... As already stated, the fact the Getrag is made in China has been known for a year and a half now. And for all the banter as to how terrible it is, most are doing just fine. They've certainly managed to survive into the 10's that we know of already.

Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Seems to be best times coming out of Cecil. A auto there with just them two has ran 11.8 with just tune and tires. Jpc just ran 10.88 with just bolt ons in the northeastern air.
Nothin' new... Cecil has been known for great times seemingly forever. At least 10years now, it's been "famous" for stellar ET's. Basically the same as ATCO.

Originally Posted by MauriSSio
thats less mods than that chally needed to run that 11.9. Gotta give the chally some credit though, it moves for such a heavy car. 6speed automatics FTW. They only put down about 420rwhp but still get 112-113mph traps stock with about 4150lbs. That drivetrain sure helps!
I recently read they're finally looking into using the 8spd... THAT would be sweet!

Originally Posted by Heater
It's been established that tuners had turned down the knock sensors in their tunes and that was what was causing #8 cylinder failures.
Not to all those who have "all things Mustang" figured out around here... Those haven't quite been able to grasp reality. I've been told it's having to do with their sore asses or something, but Idonno...

I've read that silliness so many times now, I only FEEL like saying, "Hey, DOPEY... PAY ATTENTION!" I usually just let it go altogether though, knowing they generally have a massive mental block and just can't figure it out. It's ALL about a bad tune done by a few guys who wanted to push the envelope and it's clear that most newer 5.0's don't have any such problem. Whatever though, right... You'd think, knowing someone already ran 8's with the damned thing, it isn't simply "popping #8" with bolt on parts plus a tune, as many obviously think.
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
I recently read they're finally looking into using the 8spd... THAT would be sweet!

Not to all those who have "all things Mustang" figured out around here... Those haven't quite been able to grasp reality. I've been told it's having to do with their sore asses or something, but Idonno...

I've read that silliness so many times now, I only FEEL like saying, "Hey, DOPEY... PAY ATTENTION!" I usually just let it go altogether though, knowing they generally have a massive mental block and just can't figure it out. It's ALL about a bad tune done by a few guys who wanted to push the envelope and it's clear that most newer 5.0's don't have any such problem. Whatever though, right... You'd think, knowing someone already ran 8's with the damned thing, it isn't simply "popping #8" with bolt on parts plus a tune, as many obviously think.
These computers are all new for the 5.0. THey pull timing add timing etc etc. Hell mine was pulling 4* on the email tune. they are hard to tune.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver
At most every 1000' is worth .1 and 1mph Ohio ......at most.....keep dreaming. I've been on dragtimes too.
Go punch it in...see what it says..11.80@119 w/ a da of 3500.
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
it was slower (MPH), but quicker (E.T) in the quarter.
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Originally Posted by WSsick
What's wrong with running your car on some gas that could save your engine while making more power? I see nothing wrong with that.








What are the few light mods?
Car has CAI, Catback, TC, DR's, stock tune
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
that charger has had extensive weight reduction. The mustang guys are running those 130+ traps in almost otherwise stock setups and little if ANY weight reduction.
extensive reduction that brought it from 4400 to 3900 LOL. it ran that at Fontana one of the slowest tracks in the world ask anybody.
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[QUOTE=99peweterls1;15726613]
Originally Posted by Heater
It's been established that tuners had turned down the knock sensors in their tunes and that was what was causing #8 cylinder failures.[/QUOTE/]

Hmm really, Idk that. Thanks for the info. How much timing is run in a 5.0 tune about?
Between 22-25° of timing; depends on the gas.


I actually didn't know, I had to ask a friend of mine that is very familiar with them.
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I am at Cecil all the time. The owners of most of the 5.0s I have seen fail to mention a TON of weight is taken out of their cars. Taking interior out,front sway bar,gutted trunks etc.. Fast track for sure though-Atco a tad better up the road
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
I am at Cecil all the time. The owners of most of the 5.0s I have seen fail to mention a TON of weight is taken out of their cars. Taking interior out,front sway bar,gutted trunks etc.. Fast track for sure though-Atco a tad better up the road
I know least two that has ran 11.8X with nothing but tires and tune at full weight..Here is one of them..He now has Boss/TC but yet to make a runs with a good tune. Last time out he was having shift issues with the TC in and a email tune. This pic is just tune and stock tires he ran 12.2's. WIth tire he ran 11.88@118

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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
I am at Cecil all the time. The owners of most of the 5.0s I have seen fail to mention a TON of weight is taken out of their cars. Taking interior out,front sway bar,gutted trunks etc.. Fast track for sure though-Atco a tad better up the road
I know a guy that runs his C6 vette there also. His best run is 11.4 with headers, clutch, tires, Z06 rear end and gears, tune few other little t hings if remember right.
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Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
extensive reduction that brought it from 4400 to 3900 LOL. it ran that at Fontana one of the slowest tracks in the world ask anybody.
Let's be serious. While I would agree with you that 500lbs isn't "extensive," a good amount of people here would throw a fit if an f-body with 500lbs out and beat something controversial...SRTs, 5.0s, etc. Not a big deal in my book since most cars can drop that without losing anything too important, but other people think 500lbs off a car makes it a tin can.

Originally Posted by Mike Morris
I am at Cecil all the time. The owners of most of the 5.0s I have seen fail to mention a TON of weight is taken out of their cars. Taking interior out,front sway bar,gutted trunks etc.. Fast track for sure though-Atco a tad better up the road
I figured there was plenty of that going on.
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Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
extensive reduction that brought it from 4400 to 3900 LOL. it ran that at Fontana one of the slowest tracks in the world ask anybody.
500lbs huh, thats a shitload of weight dropped.

Originally Posted by WSsick
Let's be serious. While I would agree with you that 500lbs isn't "extensive," a good amount of people here would throw a fit if an f-body with 500lbs out and beat something controversial...SRTs, 5.0s, etc. Not a big deal in my book since most cars can drop that without losing anything too important, but other people think 500lbs off a car makes it a tin can.



I figured there was plenty of that going on.
i consider 500lbs lost as extensive. It should be listed as a mod, especially since 500lbs CAN make a bigger difference than anything you can bolt on to a car thats not nitrous/supercharger/turbo.
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Sweet, that's your opinion. Just thought I'd point that out before you try to state it as fact. I would agree that it should be listed though, but some people don't like to.
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Have to agree 500lbs is a lot to take out when you are racing. Specially to say well it was only codl air/tune tires and never mention it lost 500lbs as well.
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500# is ******* huge.....especially the way most guys do it by just ripping everything out but the drivers seat.

Ws when you start removing options like ac/cruise and lets see oh yea interior. Then yes that is extensive.

500# = .5 and 5mph.

On the flip side there are ways to remove alot of weight and keep a real car. I have dropped a little over 400# of mine and most of you would never know when you looked at it. You could'nt even tell by riding in it. There are other ways to remove weight.



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