ZL1 vs. GT500 Insideline (Bittersweet)
06-12-2012, 04:31 PM
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There are people putting down 700+ with these engines in the ZL1 right now. 10 or more years ago people would probably think your crazy or not believe you if you were running that much power on a hypereutectic or basic cast aluminum piston.
06-12-2012, 07:16 PM
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06-12-2012, 09:17 PM
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Ill be frank and just say it... going fast is easy and you don't have to be smart to do it.
06-12-2012, 11:24 PM
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If they really cared about handling, they would drop the weight by 500 lbs. What a pig. I saw a vid of a Boss 302 with a couple mods and a tune beating one from a 40 roll. I hope that thing can take a pulley swap to make some more power to haul all that flubber around.
06-12-2012, 11:59 PM
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06-13-2012, 03:53 AM
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OHIOBORN..motor tend got a 11.6 out of the ZL1???...when was this ?? i subscribe to that mag...the best i have seen was a 12.1@117.4 in the march 2012 issue...i am not at doubting you just that i was not aware of another test...what issue was it in ??? as i said, i own every issue for about 9 years now and have never seen anything in ''motortrend'' that backs this up...yes the zl1 has dipped into the 11's, but not by motertrend...car&driver got a 12.3@119mph...
06-13-2012, 05:05 AM
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I'm biding my time waiting for the 2014-15 model when they start building on the new lighter-weight Caddy chassis.
At that point, 550-580hp will be more than adequate.
06-13-2012, 09:11 AM
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Thats one thing i have been curious about also, they seem to be holding up pretty good as of now. The pistons are quote "High-strength hypereutectic pistons" from allenginelist.com and the rods are forged powder metal with a forged crank. It has the piston oil squirters which helps keep heat out of the pistons and cylinder which also helps detonation.
There are people putting down 700+ with these engines in the ZL1 right now. 10 or more years ago people would probably think your crazy or not believe you if you were running that much power on a hypereutectic or basic cast aluminum piston.
There are people putting down 700+ with these engines in the ZL1 right now. 10 or more years ago people would probably think your crazy or not believe you if you were running that much power on a hypereutectic or basic cast aluminum piston.
06-13-2012, 09:43 AM
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OHIOBORN..motor tend got a 11.6 out of the ZL1???...when was this ?? i subscribe to that mag...the best i have seen was a 12.1@117.4 in the march 2012 issue...i am not at doubting you just that i was not aware of another test...what issue was it in ??? as i said, i own every issue for about 9 years now and have never seen anything in ''motortrend'' that backs this up...yes the zl1 has dipped into the 11's, but not by motertrend...car&driver got a 12.3@119mph...
06-13-2012, 10:18 AM
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OHIOBORN..motor tend got a 11.6 out of the ZL1???...when was this ?? i subscribe to that mag...the best i have seen was a 12.1@117.4 in the march 2012 issue...i am not at doubting you just that i was not aware of another test...what issue was it in ??? as i said, i own every issue for about 9 years now and have never seen anything in ''motortrend'' that backs this up...yes the zl1 has dipped into the 11's, but not by motertrend...car&driver got a 12.3@119mph...
06-13-2012, 10:28 AM
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I think heat soak will happen in the bigger Eaton TVS2300 before the smaller 1900 of the ZL1 correct? Quick question... if i put a TVS 2300 in the ZL that should be the major difference maker correct? i could b wrong... also going off the no replacement for displacement if given the blower being the TVS 2300 the bigger 6.2 of the Camaro will(should) outperform the smaller 5.8 of the Shelby? I'm no engineer so take for what its worth, just asking general questions...lol
A TVS2300 would make a huge difference, seeing as they're capable of 800rwhp+. The biggest issue is the lack of forged internals, which I honestly don't understand.
But swapping a TVS2300 onto the 6.2l would probably yield higher results, assuming you have a proper cam setup as well.
But swapping a TVS2300 onto the 6.2l would probably yield higher results, assuming you have a proper cam setup as well.
I believe the CTS-V record for stock displacement, stock blower (ported though) is like 9.9 @ 139 mph. 700+ rwhp through the auto.
Wishful thinking about GM
GM could have easily dropped in the ls9 in the zl1. Easily. And underated to lower hp/tq figures at lower rpm. with the same mods the vettes are getting. It would be a monster. it is a very strong powerful performer, but the ford fanbois will find anything to discredit it.
GM could have easily dropped in the ls9 in the zl1. Easily. And underated to lower hp/tq figures at lower rpm. with the same mods the vettes are getting. It would be a monster. it is a very strong powerful performer, but the ford fanbois will find anything to discredit it.
It is stupid that GM holds back the Camaro due to the vette. No one with any sense would think the two cars would perform the same when one weighs so much more.
I'm not sure why they didn't forge the rotating assembly (cost probably, knowing GM), but they seem to be holding up well. People have made 650-700 rwhp on blower and then sprayed on top of that without issue.
06-13-2012, 10:32 AM
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If GM is worried about stepping on Corvette toes. Then bump the vette up as well. Give the base vette z06 power and weight. And then give the zl1 the ls9 and lose 300 pounds. Problem solved
06-13-2012, 11:17 AM
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I'm pretty sure GM stated right from the start that the ZL1 was specifically being designed to perform as a badass on the road course. I don't know why people are saying they need to figure out what they want to do with the car. The very first article I ever read on it when they first officially announced it was all about how it was being designed to handle and perform well on the road course. If you disagree with their purpose for the car, that's one thing, but they never gave the impression of trying to make it anything other than a strong performer on the road course. Everyone - magazines, manufacturers, etc - does 1/4 mile testing on their vehicles, but it doesn't mean that was the purpose of the car.
I also doubt anyone at the time of the ZL1 designing expected Ford to drop a super-underrated, 600 rwhp bomb on the market. It clearly wasn't anticipated by GM (or anyone else, for that matter, including even most Ford enthusiasts considering all of the shock and over-joyed reactions going around). The car makes 100 more rwhp than the ZL1 and weighs less, but judging by the twisty numbers we're seeing so far, it looks like the ZL1 is holding up in the area it was designed for based on the design that was seen through to completion, which was long-finished before Ford put the '13 GT500 on the market and people realized the kind of power it actually makes.
The fact that Ford can do whatever the hell they want with the GT500 since it's their current top of the line performance vehicle is also a good point. Whether you agree with it or not (and I personally don't), GM clearly doesn't want to outgun the Corvette with any version of the Camaro, so until a major upgrade happens to the ZR1, I don't see them putting a 600rwhp Camaro on the market to compete with the GT500 in a straight line. Until the '13 GT500 hit the dyno and track publicly, they probably didn't think they had to to at least keep things in the same ball park.
I also doubt anyone at the time of the ZL1 designing expected Ford to drop a super-underrated, 600 rwhp bomb on the market. It clearly wasn't anticipated by GM (or anyone else, for that matter, including even most Ford enthusiasts considering all of the shock and over-joyed reactions going around). The car makes 100 more rwhp than the ZL1 and weighs less, but judging by the twisty numbers we're seeing so far, it looks like the ZL1 is holding up in the area it was designed for based on the design that was seen through to completion, which was long-finished before Ford put the '13 GT500 on the market and people realized the kind of power it actually makes.
The fact that Ford can do whatever the hell they want with the GT500 since it's their current top of the line performance vehicle is also a good point. Whether you agree with it or not (and I personally don't), GM clearly doesn't want to outgun the Corvette with any version of the Camaro, so until a major upgrade happens to the ZR1, I don't see them putting a 600rwhp Camaro on the market to compete with the GT500 in a straight line. Until the '13 GT500 hit the dyno and track publicly, they probably didn't think they had to to at least keep things in the same ball park.
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