ZL1 vs. GT500 Insideline (Bittersweet)
06-13-2012, 04:48 PM
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^^2nd that... i heard the ZL kicked tail... here is the vid, its not "at" Leguna... its the ZL against the Leguna Seca Edition Boss 302
06-13-2012, 05:12 PM
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not for nothing guys... but all these car "testers" (motortrend, car and driver, edmunds) all are sallys behind the wheel. The zl1 is the much easier to car drive do to its launch control and technology. The GT500 requires much more drag racing experience to drive it. I think you will find that both cars on drag radial with good drivers.... the ET gap will grow passed a half a second. Ive seen 11.4 at 126 out of the gt500 so far and 11.9 at 116 out of the zl1. If anyone here knows anything about drag racing, you would know that 11.4 at 126 is mediocre driving at best. And 11.9 at 116 is actually fairly efficient. Just saying
06-13-2012, 11:40 PM
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As far as straight line muscle is concerned.. They anchored the car to the ground with a 4200lb curb weight.. and put cast internals in it.
06-13-2012, 11:45 PM
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call it biased*... but i call it like i see it. I was expecting more out of the zl1 in a straight line. It is what it is. Accept it. In a straight line, the GT500 will quite literally suck the zl1 up with equal drivers. Things are different on a road course however. GT500 quite literally weighs 400lbs less and makes 100whp, has forged internals... its no contest.
Either way... I would throw both of those cars in the trash for a c6 z06.
Either way... I would throw both of those cars in the trash for a c6 z06.
06-13-2012, 11:50 PM
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^^2nd that... i heard the ZL kicked tail... here is the vid, its not "at" Leguna... its the ZL against the Leguna Seca Edition Boss 302 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4AH...feature=colike
06-13-2012, 11:54 PM
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I have a 2012 NA 5.0 and cant wait to run into a supercharged 6.2l 2012 ZL1 on the highway.... All im saying.
To me, chevys cars are still the CTS-V and Z06. I like the ZR1... but to me... Z06 is the badder of the 2. Then again... always favor the "suck, squish, bang, blow" way of making HP.
06-14-2012, 12:02 AM
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There are CTS-V's with the LSA pushing ~615whp on the stock bottom end. I don't think a Boss can do that with simple bolt-on mods. Not comparing the two directly, just reiterating my point.
06-14-2012, 12:06 AM
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Your right it cant do that with simple bolt ons... however, my bottom end can handle well over that power from the factory if i so choose to boost it, which i in fact may be very well doing this winter. And even still... 615whp on a cast bottom end may be do-able... but i wouldnt be comfortable with it. Ive personally seen how easy cast can fall apart with the slightest hint of detonation.
06-14-2012, 12:06 AM
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Not a ford boy... ive owned both. Love both... ZL1 was a let down to me. I know i get flamed for saying that...
I have a 2012 NA 5.0 and cant wait to run into a supercharged 6.2l 2012 ZL1 on the highway.... All im saying.
To me, chevys cars are still the CTS-V and Z06. I like the ZR1... but to me... Z06 is the badder of the 2. Then again... always favor the "suck, squish, bang, blow" way of making HP.
I have a 2012 NA 5.0 and cant wait to run into a supercharged 6.2l 2012 ZL1 on the highway.... All im saying.
To me, chevys cars are still the CTS-V and Z06. I like the ZR1... but to me... Z06 is the badder of the 2. Then again... always favor the "suck, squish, bang, blow" way of making HP.
06-14-2012, 12:08 AM
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Your right it cant do that with simple bolt ons... however, my bottom end can handle well over that power from the factory if i so choose to boost it, which i in fact may be very well doing this winter. And even still... 615whp on a cast bottom end may be do-able... but i wouldnt be comfortable with it. Ive personally seen how easy cast can fall apart with the slightest hint of detonation.
06-14-2012, 01:33 AM
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call it biased*... but i call it like i see it. I was expecting more out of the zl1 in a straight line. It is what it is. Accept it. In a straight line, the GT500 will quite literally suck the zl1 up with equal drivers. Things are different on a road course however. GT500 quite literally weighs 400lbs less and makes 100whp, has forged internals... its no contest.
Either way... I would throw both of those cars in the trash for a c6 z06.
Either way... I would throw both of those cars in the trash for a c6 z06.
I'm disappointed in the straightline of the ZL1. But I knew it would be on the slower side, considering the 5th gen needs a diet.
06-14-2012, 03:13 AM
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Do you guys think the reason the new 5th gens eay so much is cause all the creature comforts. Ex: nice powered seat, high quality sound systems, etc. Hand it to Ford they kept weight down by sacrificing a little. What do you guys think? GM might diet the fat girl in a year ot so?
06-14-2012, 03:22 AM
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The way GM is selling them and the target audience that is buying them now (middle age men and women), they are probably better off keeping the weight on them so that they keep all the creature comforts.
Locally I see way more middle aged women driving than any other age group or gender.
Locally I see way more middle aged women driving than any other age group or gender.
06-14-2012, 06:36 AM
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I would take my chances with the bigger piston(6.2) distributing the load over a bigger area over the smaller more stressed piston(5.8).
06-14-2012, 06:47 AM
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Those forged internals were needed to keep that pos 4.6 together. Did'nt seem to help the rods bearings staying in it. Once you get to looking there is a whole pile of spun bearings in those things.
I would take my chances with the bigger piston(6.2) distributing the load over a bigger area over the smaller more stressed piston(5.8).
I would take my chances with the bigger piston(6.2) distributing the load over a bigger area over the smaller more stressed piston(5.8).
Sorry to get off topic, but that must be the most ridiculous over-simplification I have ever heard. You know there is alot more to determining what kind of pressures a piston can take than bore size right?