Daz

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Makes senses I got it !

Its like that british car show Top Gear, it seems that they hate American cars in general. When they do comparisons they're always drifting the American cars around the track while the others cars are driven in a real race fashion.

PewterScreaminMach

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Personally, I'd take the new GT500 seven days a week over the ZL1. It looks way better, it makes WAY more power, I like the interior a lot better, and from the sounds of it, it handles PLENTY well enough for my needs as it sits. I doubt I'd even mod the thing. I'm more than fine with a 100% factory, 600 rwhp street car that looks mean as hell and retains the full warranty. I'd have a blast for the next couple years just seeing what I could get out of it as a driver with nothing more than stock tires and then drag radials.

1ltcap

mustang
cobra
gran torino
galaxy 500
fairlane
falcon
maverick

evangto87

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agreed. It drives me up a wall to read stuff like that. I want to read about legit tests and track data... not whats in most articles. In the first boss article done alone, they stated they were hesistant about it having a solid axle due to the bumpy track (the one down side to solid axle is hitting a bump). But then later stated that even though at times u felt awkward with the solid axle, it would stay planted on bumps and were able to power through the turns and it didnt have the slightest bit of loss of traction which was impressive to them for the solid axle. During the testing with the zl1 (mind u its the laguna now which has FAR better tires then the standard boss), they stated they had to let out on a few turns because they did not trust the solid axle keeping the back of the car planted.... ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? You said in your first article that you could push it to the edge and it gripped on a pirelli tire, but in the second article you didnt trust the same car on a competition tire????? Things like that are where they swung points in the favor of the zl1.

If you compared the original times of the boss to the zl1, it is in fact a drivers race on the track. The boss proved to be the more drivers car while the zl1 proved to be the more comfortable consumer track car. Neither car bad, just different tastes.

evangto87

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from what ive seen and read in tests, the GT500 is just as capable around a road course as the boss is, however prone to a bit more over steer as it has a much more torquey throttle kick to it and is much more nose heavy.

NOLAG05

i think you missed the point of that...lol all the brands had several cars that they built... the Mustang has always been Ford's number 1 sports car. The ones you named are nice Fords but, none did for Ford what the Mustang has like the Vette for Chevy... And the Cobra is a Mustang still...

Chevy- Vette
Ford- Mustang
Dodge- Dart, Challenger, Cuda?
Pontiac- Firebird

HioSSilver

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The thing is it's harder address the handling short comings of the Mustang then it is to make more power out of the Camaro.

evangto87

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Hio... i would love to take you for a ride in my car just to show you the mustangs "short comings" because theres is nothing short about the GT500s handling capabilities. Not for nothing, but add 100whp to the zl1... im willing to bet it has a bit of an over steer issue.

But regardless of all of that ricer comparison ish... Chances are if you get 2 of these cars near each other on the street, they will more likely be pushed closer to there limitations in a straight line then on a turn.

NOLAG05

I seen your point... but still it comes down to the buyers. With the correct pocket depth you can make either car out perform the other... I'm a Chevy guy since birth but would take the Shelby in this given situation. Sorry grandpa...

evangto87

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In this comparison... id take the GT500... but i would take the boss over both... but i would take a c6 z06 over the boss. See what i did there?

1ltcap

doubtful in the shelby too. didnt they run it 35 consecutive runs at the dragstrip? i think it'll be fine.

1ltcap

ya know on that post you quoted? go looking through all the zl1 vs shelby threads. you'll find more chevy guys putting the zl down than you might imagine.

NOLAG05

yep, i follow ya

HioSSilver

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I'm sure your car handles good as I'm sure the gt500 does. Have you drove a fe4 '12 camaro? They handle pretty damn good too. I would love to see a test between the boss and '12 Camaro on the roadcoarse. The 1Le should do pretty well also. It's pretty hard to beat IRS in most handling situations and a car with 50% weight distribution..

evangto87

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Saw a youtube video a while back of an SS camaro racing a boss around the track. Both drivers race the track and know it well.. Boss started off behind the SS. By the end of the race you couldnt even see the Boss on the camaros go pro.

Beans

Having chased Evan around off-ramps and various curves, i can vouch for the fact that his Boss can turn a corner. I haven't driven Evan's car, but i have driven the regular 5.0 and the '12 SS, and the 5.0 is better.

The one i drove had crap tires on it (not a brembo package car) and was about as good as the SS. With comparable rubber it's no question the mustang is better.

The SS feels huge, very nose heavy. It doesn't turn in very well and the steering doesn't offer the feedback of the mustangs.

Overall i think the SS looks better and is a better quality vehicle overall (interior and general build quality) than the 5.0, but the 5.0 is the better car to drive.

1ltcap

i was just arguing.

the cobra, btw isn't a mustang. the cobra whipped the vettes *** for a few years. and ferrari's too.

Daz

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I'm a Chevy guy to heart also but I would go for the ZL1 because I think it has a lot of potential in it. I love the way it looks(I had a '67 !)and I think it handles great for it weight, plus its not that much slower IMO for a car with less HP and more weight, not bad !

PewterScreaminMach

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As I said, in bone stock form straight off the showroom floor with a full warranty, that GT500 is going to handle well enough and put down more than enough power to fit my needs for a true street car. I have much more of a rider/driver improvement type of personality rather than a mod it to go faster mentality. My bike is a perfect example. Every time I've taken this bike to the strip, I went faster every time (and continued to improve all day the last day until they shut down for rain). Why mod it if I'm continuing to improve? I'd rather spend more time getting that 10.8 out of it stock than mod it to go low 10's next week, which I could easily do if I felt like it.

On a road course, this rider/driver improvement potential is magnified about a thousand times. It could literally take an amateur rider/driver years to hit their full potential on a road course with a new, factory stock car or bike, especially if they don't get to a ton of track days throughout the year. To me, the fun of racing is seeing improvement in myself, not the car or bike. On the road course, I ride mid-pack with the advanced group on a stock 600 with street tires, and there's still plenty left in this bike with more improvement in myself. Why mod it if I can go faster by improving myself first? The situation is the same with a car for me.

Anyone can spend money to go faster, but I'm much more impressed and pleased when I see someone greatly improve their times in a stock vehicle over the course of a couple seasons than seeing their buddy spend $10k in mods on the same car and run a second or two faster than that. But that's just me. Everyone has their own thing they enjoy doing. A stock '13 GT500 would satisfy my desire to practice and see improvement for years to come, as would a ZL1, most likely, but the GT500 looks way better.

MeentSS02

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You keep forgetting the Ford GT...during its short-lived production, it was Ford's #1 sports car.