why87

One aspect I do agree with, is that the Ls has more room to grow; to a certain extent. Much more aftermarket support and parts interchangeability for the LS. But the GT500's forged internals make it so much easier to make stupid power without tearing the motor apart. I know, I know...the stock cast LS rotating assembly is still stout, but it can't touch forged parts.

Chassis wise I'm not sure what to think. Because the Boss can hand the ZL1 it's *** on a twisty track, but the ZL1 has been shown to beat the GT500 and vice-versa???

usnfenix

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i understand this and no ones going to buy one and leave it stock. the point has been doing the same mods to both the gt500 will still win. you say you will beat a gt500 if you own one well ok, what about the gt500 you race? what if hes not stock and has mods as well? the gap isnt as closed as you think. at the end of the day it really comes down to money. anybody with a million bucks can make even a geo metro blow the goddam doors off a buggati. its all about having fun with what you chose and as long as YOU like it. as i said in another thread theres always that neighborhood douche whos going to pour his whole paycheck into his car and one day beat you. as long as your happy with your **** who the hell cares.

1_MEANZ28

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there are also numerous videos of zl1's spanking some pony ***.and the zl1's that have lost are counted

wbt

Yes that is my car. Click into my channel and you will find many more vids at the track with my 2011 and 2012 5.0's.

HioSSilver

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The thing is the Ford is gonna need a alternative fuel or meth before the ZL will. Ford needed to go forged because like the old mod motors just are'nt that strong. One of the "shop" gt500 has blown. Sure it was fast, but it has to be fast and hold up.

The zl bitch slapps the LS Boss on a road coarse....so does the 1le. I don't know where you come up with the Boss winning on a rc.

kewlv8

To a simple mind, 6.2>5.8, ZOMG, LSA is great. Don't talk about forged vs. cast, 32V, etc.... Keep in simple.

Hi Ho Silver, Away.....

wbt

Thanks!

If you look at the video description or click the More info in the upper right it will bring up the list.

HioSSilver

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Good job with it. Finally a 5.0 that lives up to what ohio yakks about.

wbt

So that "shop" car was making close to 1000HP on the stock long block. Do you expect a non-forged LSA to do the same?

Why is the Ford gonna need alternative fuel or meth before? How do you quantify that?

You really have no clue when it comes to Ford's. The modular motors are some of the strongest engines Ford has made.

You are making **** up now. Camaro5 would be honored to have a member like you.

wbt

There are plenty of bolt-on 5.0's that run great:

http://www.modularfords.com/f259/bol...gt-5-a-185818/

WSSICK99

if you can't drive your car don't bother racing lol

HioSSilver

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Yes I do. The ford is smaller and running more boost, it's gonna need a fuel first. I have seen multiple n/a mod motors huffing anti freeze at the dragstrip, my ford termi motor is blown up right now. The mod motors are probably the strongest motors ford ever mad.......and that's not saying much.

wbt

Sounds like you have no idea what you are doing. I have seen plenty of them at the track myself. I have yet to see a single common mod motor failure due to a poor design. What I do see are plenty of failures when idiots get involved regardless of brand.

...and saying the Ford needs fuel first is a compliment to what it is able to achieve on factory parts. It doesn't matter that it is smaller CI or running more boost. That isn't even a valid point. You pulley and add an aggressive tune to the LSA and guess what, you are going to have to run more octane and will still be behind the GT500 with the same mods done.

You can't come up with a single valid anything in your arguments.

HioSSilver

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You just keep trying to argue the truth. I did'nt build my Ford....Ford did, so that blow your excuse for that right out the window.

Now my ls6 on the other hand has been alive for 80k worth of abuse. Kinda a blows me not knowing what I'm doin out the window too. Not to mention the last 6 times to the track has had a new best in et or mph or both. Seems to keep getting stronger.

Detoxx03

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I asked you a question so therefore not putting words in your mouth. I don't care about none of that **** you read on either site cause they both make me laugh. You need to learn more about the 6.2 if you think it's that limited.

wbt

No it doesn't....anyone can build a motor and put it in a car. How does that constitute the LSx being a better motor?

I built a 11 sec. N/A Foxbody out of a junkyard with a 60K mile 302. I never had an issue with that motor and ran the **** out of it. Much weaker engine than any mod motor Ford has produced.

The only argument you have is, "The LSx is a stronger motor 'cause I said so." . That doesn't hold an ounce of worth.

What mods were done to the Cobra before you blew it up?

What times have you run at the track with your "mighty" LS6? N/A or power adder? Time slip or video?

Ron White said it best...."You can't fix stupid.".

evangto87

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heres a big factor no one has talked about...that is a very important factor... Combustion chamber design. If we are building 2 all out cars that have to stay pump gas with no meth... my vote is gt500.. The modular cylinder head design has always (and i was a chevy guy and still agreed with this) been far better under boost as far as detonation is concerned. You will be able to get more power out of the gt500 before detonation issues occur. Again, this is pump gas no meth....

Either way. In stock form the zl1 failed... in after market terms, sure it can be built fast. But who wants to buy a 55+k car just to build it into a race car.

HioSSilver

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Just a pulley and exhaust on the termi motor. it's in a notch.

The mighty n/a ls6 has went 11.1 @ 130 last time out with all the seats in the car and in street trim on a nitto. I've posted vids and slips on here. The 130 vid is a shitty cell vid. The vid of it goin 11.1 @126.xx is good.

There is no doubt the lsx is stronger/more powerful than a mod motor. That's why companies make k-members to put them in a ford and not the other way around. You should work on fixing stupid if you can't figure that one out on your own.

bamaballa205

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I'm just hoping that the ZL1 is de-tuned significantly from the factory. I've seen pulley swapped CTS-V's putting a hurting on Base Vettes. Haven't seen a ZL1 win a race yet.

On paper the CTS is faster, but I'll like to see them run for real.

GotHemi?

6.2? Which 6.2? Im sure you know there is more than one, and everyone has differet limits.

Can a LSA (6.2) make 700+ rwhp? Sure but for how long? Would it last longer than a 5.4 or 5.8 at that level? Not a chance in hell. Are you saying that cast pistons are stronger than forged? Better yet, lets be a little more direct. Are you saying the LSA's pistons are stronger than the 5.8's?

The lsa are stout engines considering they arent forged. Im not taking that from it. I never said it was "that limited". What i am saying is its more limited than either the 5.4 or 5.8.