H/c Ta vs bolt on 5.0 and C6
10-26-2012, 12:11 PM
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Ok, I missed that. The 150 shot explains the vette. I thought it was all on motor. My mistake.
The car with way-better gears, which brings us to where we are now. You'd have to believe car1 is making slightly more power. Car2 has been measured at 417rwhp how much power is car1 making on roughly the same mods?
If I told you you could make 482 rwhp with a head, cam, & intake, would you believe me? RWHP? That's basically what he's saying with his 302. If he's making 420 rwhp with his 302, that's 1.39hp/ci which is extremely efficient.
& way better gears, what are we talking about a 3.73 vs 3.42? better, but not way better. are you running 2.73? I could buy that if that's the case.
Exactly, so the HP gain isn't 145 rwhp from his mods, it's less. The same would hold true imo for "car1" there's only so much power you're going to get from heads/cam right? how much do you thin "car1" is putting out? rough estimate? 420? 440?
Now look how he pulled away from that TA, that looks like at least 50 hp difference, at the wheels. if the numbers for the TA is right, 417 rwhp, car1 has got to be at 465 rwhp. from heads, cam, & intake.
If they got it like that, I'm just saying wow. That's 1.53 rwhp per cubic inch & that's a technological marvel.
The car with way-better gears, which brings us to where we are now. You'd have to believe car1 is making slightly more power. Car2 has been measured at 417rwhp how much power is car1 making on roughly the same mods?
If I told you you could make 482 rwhp with a head, cam, & intake, would you believe me? RWHP? That's basically what he's saying with his 302. If he's making 420 rwhp with his 302, that's 1.39hp/ci which is extremely efficient.
& way better gears, what are we talking about a 3.73 vs 3.42? better, but not way better. are you running 2.73? I could buy that if that's the case.
Exactly, so the HP gain isn't 145 rwhp from his mods, it's less. The same would hold true imo for "car1" there's only so much power you're going to get from heads/cam right? how much do you thin "car1" is putting out? rough estimate? 420? 440?
Now look how he pulled away from that TA, that looks like at least 50 hp difference, at the wheels. if the numbers for the TA is right, 417 rwhp, car1 has got to be at 465 rwhp. from heads, cam, & intake.
If they got it like that, I'm just saying wow. That's 1.53 rwhp per cubic inch & that's a technological marvel.
10-26-2012, 12:23 PM
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Your basing this simply off dyno numbers. How about everything else? How about they way they put down power? Average hp? Gearing? These are what win races..The 5.0 i guarentee is putting the power down the best of the three. I dont have to say why because i have said it a million times in the past.
If we're talking about "average hp" to me, that could be the "something's wrong" with the TA. I'm under the impression that both cars are M6s & the "average hp" is off because he's shifting too early.
Even gearing. If he's running a 2.73, that could be the "something's wrong"
Is the gearing that much better in the Mustang six speed?
Is it the suspension? what about the suspension make the power transfer that much more efficient in the mustang? what can he do to the TA to improve?
10-26-2012, 12:39 PM
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10-26-2012, 12:51 PM
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thunder - I'm not sure what your trying to say. we are not arguing mod for mod. They are saying something is wrong with my car, based on a bolt on 5.0 beat me. My point is this...
5.0 makes more power and better gears. same weight. shouldn't the 5.0 win? I think so...
I don't have the best setup, I know that. But for what it is, I think it runs good. Not the worst as Mike thinks (I can think of 4-5 around here that all make around 440 that I would give a good run), but obvious not the fastest.
5.0 makes more power and better gears. same weight. shouldn't the 5.0 win? I think so...
I don't have the best setup, I know that. But for what it is, I think it runs good. Not the worst as Mike thinks (I can think of 4-5 around here that all make around 440 that I would give a good run), but obvious not the fastest.
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10-26-2012, 12:56 PM
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thunder - I'm not sure what your trying to say. we are not arguing mod for mod. They are saying something is wrong with my car, based on a bolt on 5.0 beat me. My point is this...
5.0 makes more power and better gears. same weight. shouldn't the 5.0 win? I think so...
I don't have the best setup, I know that. But for what it is, I think it runs good. Not the worst as Mike thinks (I can think of 4-5 around here that all make around 440 that I would give a good run), but obvious not the fastest.
5.0 makes more power and better gears. same weight. shouldn't the 5.0 win? I think so...
I don't have the best setup, I know that. But for what it is, I think it runs good. Not the worst as Mike thinks (I can think of 4-5 around here that all make around 440 that I would give a good run), but obvious not the fastest.
Explain to me how a bolt-on 5.0 is making more power than you. You said you're making 417 rwhp. evangto87 is making 417 rwhp, but he's got a cam. So the bolt on 5.0 with the Boss intake is making more power than evangto87?
It's just a little hard to believe is all. If that's true, evangto87 should have saved his money & just got a GT.
10-26-2012, 01:26 PM
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Well, this is a long thread & I got kinda crossed up anyway. I was thinking the 5.0 had a h/c as well, but it's just a bolt on including intake.
Explain to me how a bolt-on 5.0 is making more power than you. You said you're making 417 rwhp. evangto87 is making 417 rwhp, but he's got a cam. So the bolt on 5.0 with the Boss intake is making more power than evangto87?
It's just a little hard to believe is all. If that's true, evangto87 should have saved his money & just got a GT.
Explain to me how a bolt-on 5.0 is making more power than you. You said you're making 417 rwhp. evangto87 is making 417 rwhp, but he's got a cam. So the bolt on 5.0 with the Boss intake is making more power than evangto87?
It's just a little hard to believe is all. If that's true, evangto87 should have saved his money & just got a GT.
The roadrunner motor will make 25-30whp more mod for mod over a coyote.
You cant keep comparing dyno numbers from different dynos across the country. It doesnt work like that.
Also the gearing advantage comes from the transmission, NOT the ring and pinion. First gear is 3.66.. fifth gear is 1:1. From 0-165mph, my car makes peak power.
10-26-2012, 01:32 PM
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Sorry, your sig says CO & I've obviously misunderstood that for Cam Only.
I understand that, but it should give us a ball park, I would think. So you've got a Boss 302. What's the difference between a Boss 302 & a GT?
Do you think they would make the same power if you put the Boss intake on the GT? Close?
If I read the rest of your sig correctly & you dynoed 417 rwhp, that's impressive as f@# from a 5 liter motor.
THis makes sense, I'll have to look into that.
Do you think they would make the same power if you put the Boss intake on the GT? Close?
If I read the rest of your sig correctly & you dynoed 417 rwhp, that's impressive as f@# from a 5 liter motor.
THis makes sense, I'll have to look into that.
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10-26-2012, 01:33 PM
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Well, this is a long thread & I got kinda crossed up anyway. I was thinking the 5.0 had a h/c as well, but it's just a bolt on including intake.
Explain to me how a bolt-on 5.0 is making more power than you. You said you're making 417 rwhp. evangto87 is making 417 rwhp, but he's got a cam. So the bolt on 5.0 with the Boss intake is making more power than evangto87?
It's just a little hard to believe is all. If that's true, evangto87 should have saved his money & just got a GT.
Explain to me how a bolt-on 5.0 is making more power than you. You said you're making 417 rwhp. evangto87 is making 417 rwhp, but he's got a cam. So the bolt on 5.0 with the Boss intake is making more power than evangto87?
It's just a little hard to believe is all. If that's true, evangto87 should have saved his money & just got a GT.
10-26-2012, 01:42 PM
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Sorry, your sig says CO & I've obviously misunderstood that for Cam Only.
I understand that, but it should give us a ball park, I would think. So you've got a Boss 302. What's the difference between a Boss 302 & a GT?
Do you think they would make the same power if you put the Boss intake on the GT? Close?
If I read the rest of your sig correctly & you dynoed 417 rwhp, that's impressive as f@# from a 5 liter motor.
I understand that, but it should give us a ball park, I would think. So you've got a Boss 302. What's the difference between a Boss 302 & a GT?
Do you think they would make the same power if you put the Boss intake on the GT? Close?
If I read the rest of your sig correctly & you dynoed 417 rwhp, that's impressive as f@# from a 5 liter motor.
Like i said, my car made a bit more power as it sits then a full bolt on GT on the same dyno and his car included the Boss intake.
10-26-2012, 01:42 PM
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You & evangto dyno'd your cars on the same dyno right?
So that bolt on 5.0 with Boss intake is making more power than evans car?
Sorry, just having a hard time wrapping my head around that.
10-26-2012, 01:45 PM
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No clue honestly. Ive "seen" on the interwebs... numbers as high as 475whp. But I dont go by anything other then what i experience. Guy i knows boss made 447whp and so far... ive made more power then him mod for mod (under 5whp difference). I do have a higher flowing catback and a TB on him though. That could be the slight difference.
10-26-2012, 01:46 PM
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All I can say to that is wow.... you think the 5.0 was making more power than you right?
You & evangto dyno'd your cars on the same dyno right?
So that bolt on 5.0 with Boss intake is making more power than evans car?
Sorry, just having a hard time wrapping my head around that.
You & evangto dyno'd your cars on the same dyno right?
So that bolt on 5.0 with Boss intake is making more power than evans car?
Sorry, just having a hard time wrapping my head around that.
10-26-2012, 01:49 PM
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10-26-2012, 01:50 PM
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All I can say to that is wow.... you think the 5.0 was making more power than you right?
You & evangto dyno'd your cars on the same dyno right?
So that bolt on 5.0 with Boss intake is making more power than evans car?
Sorry, just having a hard time wrapping my head around that.
You & evangto dyno'd your cars on the same dyno right?
So that bolt on 5.0 with Boss intake is making more power than evans car?
Sorry, just having a hard time wrapping my head around that.
10-26-2012, 01:51 PM
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it hasnt "redlined" yet. Rev limiter right now is at 7800. Curve hasnt dropped yet. I suspect it will hold steady for another 300-400rpm. Its literally straight as an arrow. I dont rev it anymore because ive already covered my entire in gear power range with flat power. No point in reving higher.