Thunderkyss

Hey, just wondering if any of you guys are running 11 sec cars without roll bars.

If so, just speak up & if you don't mind tell us why you haven't installed one, or when you expect to install one.

ohioborn80

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Well I run 10's and haven't put one in. It sucks cause I'm mid 10's with low 10's able. I keep getting booted from the track so I will install one sooner or later.

Zmg00camaross

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I havent yet because I am not going to just install a roll bar. I want a 8.50 cert cage cuz I have High hopes and plans for the car down the road. Only want to do it once. Then I will change my mind haha.

Sticks n Stones

I don't want the weight and I hate the ergonomics of one. I actually use my backseats all the time, and I'm a big SOB myself so even a well done roll cage would really affect my comfort and ease of access/egress of my car. It might be a low 11 second car (10's with tire possible) but it's a street car that will only see a track a couple times a year.

GTO's are very structurally solid though and don't need the rigidity help of a roll cage. Plenty of 9 second guys out there with upwards of 1,000rwhp who have not noticed any issues with flexing. Heck, alot of guys that went with a roll cage complained of worse 60' times due to it becoming too rigid. Not that I'm in that category, but it gives one pause.

PewterScreaminMach

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My street car never saw a roll cage and never would have even if I kept it. I loved taking it to the track, but in reality, it only happened a few times per year while I was putting 15k+ miles on it per year even though it wasn't my daily driver. It was a street car, not a race car, so overall it wasn't worth the time, effort, weight, money, or ergonomics for a car that was only dipping into roll cage territory. No one made a big deal out of it at track rentals, either. If they did or I made the car significantly faster, I would have made the occasional trip with a couple shake down passes and then one or two solid runs before getting kicked out.

The problem is that now a days, many factory stock cars are running in roll cage territory or beyond, and almost everything coming out of the dealerships takes only a few choice mods to need a roll cage to stay track legal. This is a big issue because most people want to enjoy some track time but aren't willing to spend the money or "ruin" their brand new car just to do so. I imagine a lot more people are getting kicked out these days than 10 years ago.

Dark SS

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A vette with a full 8.50 cage would not be comfortable. I will eventually put a cage in the car but it will most likely be a 6 pt and I still won't be able to run at NHRA tracks.

ZFreie

I've been wondering to see what they do about this.....Id be pissed to buy a zr1, buy some real tires and be told to go home cause I'm to fast....

Good thing Ill never have the $$$ to buy a zr1

2SSARME

The **** is a roll bar?

Packy

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I finally broke down and put one in my TA because I was getting tired of being kicked out of the track. My Cobra will never get one though.

evangto87

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You dont even need a zr1 to do it. A 13 gt500 went into cage territory during car and drivers 1/4 mile test on its factory tires lmao. 11.4 at 126. Thats using traction control. Put a set of wheels/tires on it, thats a 10 second car at 128-129.

The z06 can do it as well fairly easily. I really think NHRA should change there rule to 10.99. Hell when i went to the track last season, i figured i could run my GTO on street tires and stay out of cage territory......nope.

Blown383LS1

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Hey Packy, do you ever get any comments at the track for your door bars? According to the NHRA rule book they should pass the driver midway between the shoulder and elbow. They look a little low in the pics. Looks nice though.

evangto87

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Whats funny is im willing to bet most of the people teching cars in dont even know that rule lol.

Blown383LS1

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^^ That may be true. I have put a few in over the years and that is the first thing I noticed when I looked at it.

evangto87

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Theres a few cars in my area with the door bars lower then that, that have been making it through tech for years.

speedtigger

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The rule is 11.50 for a roll bar (except convertibles). Oddly enough, that is exactly what my car runs on the motor.

89gmcs15

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unless my truck hangs the one wheel into the air due to frame twist i wont be puttin a cage into it. im going for the "sleeper" street meet race situation. who will line up to a rowdy truck with a cage goin thru the bed and the back window lol. atleast for now i can pass it off on a bad tune and plugs haha. that and a cage on a street driven vehicle is a pain in the *** if you actually dd your ride. a dedicated track car or a car that rarely sees the street tho thats a different story...

2SSARME

Do you guys mean roll cage?

Blown383LS1

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For a dd you can always do swing outs and put them in for the track. That's what I plan on for the Mustang, although it will only be a weekend warrior. Who expects a SN95 with an auto to be fast? lol

Blown383LS1

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No, big difference between a bar and a cage. All you need to run as fast as 10.0 is a five point bar.