Originally Posted by ohioborn80

Cost me 5500 to make 713whp on my new 5.0 Pretty cheap. Show me a GM your going to mod for 4500 and get 713whp. Buying all new parts. Cause I'm not buying someone's used SC or cam or anything else. And my blower is good up to 1000whp..unfortunately the engine limit so far depending on tune seems to be huge range of 650-800whp.

Anxious want you to make that 700whp on something compatible not a ZR1 where have to spend 130k for the car.

If I have a13 GT500 I could made 700whp with bolt ons.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

That's how I ended up with the ls6 . Dealer wanted $4800(which wasn't a bad price) for a ls1 in early 2002. I found a group buy on the ls6 for $5200.


But this is why e85 considered not pump gas and most list it when they run it, it is a mod unless your car came with e85 capability. If it's just like 93 then go put it in your car and don't change a thing. 93 is widely available other than in higher elevation area's. Some high elevation area's you can only get 89.

Originally Posted by five0three

looks like there might even be more in it

Originally Posted by five0three

if you say so lol

I don't know, Id be kinda pissed if my c6z has to worry about 26k (new) mustangs with 5k worth of mods showing me tail lights...

Originally Posted by Johnnystock

I'd be even more pissed if I were the Mustang guy if I'd still get beat by old LS1 fbodys with less than 5K of mods in it..

Originally Posted by evangto87

but at the end of the day....it still just beat a bolt on car.

Originally Posted by five0three

if you say so lol

I don't know, Id be kinda pissed if my c6z has to worry about 26k (new) mustangs with 5k worth of mods showing me tail lights...

Originally Posted by Johnnystock

And you took the win. The point is that there is no point about it. Modding is unfair.

At the end of the day you still drive a bolton Mustang GT and the other guy a 500rwhp H/C/I/E LS2 Vette...

Originally Posted by five0three

if you say so lol

I don't know, Id be kinda pissed if my c6z has to worry about 26k (new) mustangs with 5k worth of mods showing me tail lights...

Originally Posted by evangto87

My point wasnt meant to take a win. My point was to say that i wouldnt be pissed if my bolt on car lost to a H/C car of any sort. Racing is racing... its all fun. If anyone knows me when i race... im not competitive on an ******* scale. I like a great race no matter what the setups are. But some people just cant handle the fact that the new 5.0 makes a lot of power.

I posted a race on here some time back between my car and a H/C/I ls1. His car had a fast intake, torquer v3 cam, patriot 2.5 243 heads, full exhaust, ud pulley. We raced 40-125.. I spun very badly on the 2-3. I fell back to his rear tire from wheel spin. By 125... my front bumper went from his rear tire to the front of his door. So i pulled maybe 3 feet....but i still lost the race. I posted this up and everyone flipped **** and said how bad running the ls car was and blah blah blah... so i just deleted it immediately. The nutswinging is equal on both sides of the spectrum.

Originally Posted by AWDTBSS

These comparisons are retarded. Not everyone worries about what a cheaper car can be made for X dollars to be faster than theirs

Originally Posted by Johnnystock

You make it sound so easy. I'm sure you have over 15K in mods in your car. Why didnt you go this route right away then? What about your exhaust, tune, weight reduction, wheels, suspension?..still at 5k bro? Thats just a big lie.

Any FI to a LS3 would put out the same power.

Because youre able to find the best discount around, it doesnt make the your Ford any better. When you see N/A 5.0l gets beat by N/A GM, you go find FI excuses.

LS7 going for 20-24K$ hahahah You like to take the worst case scenario everytime for GM and pick the best for your Ford heh?

Originally Posted by ohioborn80

I'm talking just power. And my buddies 5th gen h/c Maggie on 10lbs made 680whp on same dyno same day I made 713whp. It took him a lsx 427 to make more on same boost. Then he made 750 and ran out fuel. He has 20+k in his. So no a stock ls3 will not make same. I'm still on stock headers, only x pipe I got for 120. Everything else stock.

And with appearance mods, everything I still don't have 15k.

And you notice the ls7 I posted was 16k right. I mentioned 20-24k. Cause that what GM. Dealers told my buddy when he blew up his Z06. He built a 440 lsx for 17k.

And look at bolt on camaro's vs bolt on 5.0's. No comparison. The 5.0 is simply faster. By a bunch track times don't lie. It takes h/c setups to ru. What bolt on 5.0's do.

You will only see hand full of Max effort n/a 5.0's cs easier, cheaper to go fi.

Originally Posted by evangto87

In the fifth gens defense... thats your buddies fault for building a 427 and strapping a maggie to it. I would have put 3k into the bottom end, a cam, and a procharger and made more power.

No matter how much any build costs... you cant fix stupid.

Originally Posted by ohioborn80

I'm talking just power. And my buddies 5th gen h/c Maggie on 10lbs made 680whp on same dyno same day I made 713whp. It took him a lsx 427 to make more on same boost. Then he made 750 and ran out fuel. He has 20+k in his. So no a stock ls3 will not make same. I'm still on stock headers, only x pipe I got for 120. Everything else stock.

And with appearance mods, everything I still don't have 15k.

And you notice the ls7 I posted was 16k right. I mentioned 20-24k. Cause that what GM. Dealers told my buddy when he blew up his Z06. He built a 440 lsx for 17k.

And look at bolt on camaro's vs bolt on 5.0's. No comparison. The 5.0 is simply faster. By a bunch track times don't lie. It takes h/c setups to ru. What bolt on 5.0's do.

You will only see hand full of Max effort n/a 5.0's cs easier, cheaper to go fi.

Originally Posted by evangto87

In the fifth gens defense... thats your buddies fault for building a 427 and strapping a maggie to it. I would have put 3k into the bottom end, a cam, and a procharger and made more power.

No matter how much any build costs... you cant fix stupid.

Originally Posted by evangto87

In the fifth gens defense... thats your buddies fault for building a 427 and strapping a maggie to it. I would have put 3k into the bottom end, a cam, and a procharger and made more power.

No matter how much any build costs... you cant fix stupid.

Originally Posted by evangto87

In the fifth gens defense... thats your buddies fault for building a 427 and strapping a maggie to it. I would have put 3k into the bottom end, a cam, and a procharger and made more power.

No matter how much any build costs... you cant fix stupid.

Originally Posted by ohioborn80

A stock 5th Gen isn't making 700whp either like I did. He will doing fuel system soon. Then bumping boost to 15-16lbs. Then has spray for it. He actually considered pulling the Maggie and going procharger. And he still might. But between the two engine build he has over 35k invested. He did make some back though. He sold the ls3 with the h/c setup for 3500. Yes cheap 3500. I was like wow.

Originally Posted by Johnnystock

You still mentionned it like you could not get it for the price mentionned but much higher like 24K, which is non-sense. Ford owners are so smart they can bargain and have a better price, but no GM owner can do that

Camaro is slower because of weight. NOT BECAUSE OF THE ENGINE!! Are you ever going to get it????

If you slap a supercharger and do not mod anything else(rear end/tranny/clutch/exhaust/suspension/brakes,ETC), youre retarded. Everything is gonna grenade around you, but I guess you know that!!??

Therefore, you are again throwing BS price around to make it looks good for Ford product.

Where is the 550rwhp Mustang?? Still waiting. Again you took this fact: only one vid of a 507rwhp dyno Mustang(still LS1 territory, I repeat) and you inflated the numbers to 550rwhp and explained to us how easy it is to have 500-550rwhp. I made the smart choice for a smart setup. With lots room to grow still from simple bolt ons lime headers, gears, weight reduction, etc. Hell even a better tune.

So at what price are we looking at n/a? Its way more cheaper/easier to mod an LS3(any LS engines in fact) n/a than a 5.0. You have to accept it. It makes you really mad, and thats you you went the FI route.