Toxic c6 vs 2011 5.0
01-27-2013, 03:50 PM
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lol i did build heavy ls cars once upon a time
the 550whp coyote was the stage 2 jpc top end strapping to a 318ci shortblock. The 507whp car was a stock 302 shortblock with stage 1 top end. The stage 2 topend on a stock 302 will make between 525-535.
I wouldnt say 500whp is ls1 territory. Maybe ls3... but not ls1. To make 500whp out of an ls1 will require an *** load of money and a vast knowledge of how to do it. Thats no easy feet... but yes can be done. In comparison to an ls1 to a coyote to get to 500whp na. It is a lot harder for the ls1 to do it. The coyote takes a full exhaust, an off the shelf h/c package, and a boss intake to do that. To make 500whp on an ls1... there is no off the shelf setup to buy and bolt together. It would require massaging heads, port matching, every bolt on on the market etc etc. You are limited on rpm so a bigger cube motor will allow you to run a bigger higher flowing cylinder head without having to rev it more to make the power...which is why an ls3 can make more power easier then an ls1. You are also limited on valve size on an ls1 due to not having enough cylinder room to clear the valves.
^Thats all with a stock bottom end that is. With after market rotating assembles (of the same cubic inch)... the sky is the limit (rpm, solid roller, single plane, etc). My buddies 385ci lt1 (23 degree valve angle) makes 550whp through a 4l60 and dana 60. But that is a BIG dollar motor with all the tricks played. The same guy that would go online and read his build and buy all the same parts, would put it together and make 60-70less whp and wonder why. Thats where the knowledge comes into play.
35k for 680whp???? Seriously... i would have put a full exhaust on the car, a cam, forged rods/pistons, an F1.... and smoked that whp number. I just shot the price down atleast 20k saved.
Just messing with youYou still mentionned it like you could not get it for the price mentionned but much higher like 24K, which is non-sense. Ford owners are so smart they can bargain and have a better price, but no GM owner can do that 
Camaro is slower because of weight. NOT BECAUSE OF THE ENGINE!! Are you ever going to get it????
If you slap a supercharger and do not mod anything else(rear end/tranny/clutch/exhaust/suspension/brakes,ETC), youre retarded. Everything is gonna grenade around you, but I guess you know that!!??
Therefore, you are again throwing BS price around to make it looks good for Ford product.
Where is the 550rwhp Mustang?? Still waiting. Again you took this fact: only one vid of a 507rwhp dyno Mustang(still LS1 territory, I repeat) and you inflated the numbers to 550rwhp and explained to us how easy it is to have 500-550rwhp.
So at what price are we looking at n/a? Its way more cheaper/easier to mod an LS3(any LS engines in fact) n/a than a 5.0. You have to accept it. It makes you really mad, and thats you you went the FI route.
Camaro is slower because of weight. NOT BECAUSE OF THE ENGINE!! Are you ever going to get it????
If you slap a supercharger and do not mod anything else(rear end/tranny/clutch/exhaust/suspension/brakes,ETC), youre retarded. Everything is gonna grenade around you, but I guess you know that!!??
Therefore, you are again throwing BS price around to make it looks good for Ford product.
Where is the 550rwhp Mustang?? Still waiting. Again you took this fact: only one vid of a 507rwhp dyno Mustang(still LS1 territory, I repeat) and you inflated the numbers to 550rwhp and explained to us how easy it is to have 500-550rwhp.
So at what price are we looking at n/a? Its way more cheaper/easier to mod an LS3(any LS engines in fact) n/a than a 5.0. You have to accept it. It makes you really mad, and thats you you went the FI route.
I wouldnt say 500whp is ls1 territory. Maybe ls3... but not ls1. To make 500whp out of an ls1 will require an *** load of money and a vast knowledge of how to do it. Thats no easy feet... but yes can be done. In comparison to an ls1 to a coyote to get to 500whp na. It is a lot harder for the ls1 to do it. The coyote takes a full exhaust, an off the shelf h/c package, and a boss intake to do that. To make 500whp on an ls1... there is no off the shelf setup to buy and bolt together. It would require massaging heads, port matching, every bolt on on the market etc etc. You are limited on rpm so a bigger cube motor will allow you to run a bigger higher flowing cylinder head without having to rev it more to make the power...which is why an ls3 can make more power easier then an ls1. You are also limited on valve size on an ls1 due to not having enough cylinder room to clear the valves.
^Thats all with a stock bottom end that is. With after market rotating assembles (of the same cubic inch)... the sky is the limit (rpm, solid roller, single plane, etc). My buddies 385ci lt1 (23 degree valve angle) makes 550whp through a 4l60 and dana 60. But that is a BIG dollar motor with all the tricks played. The same guy that would go online and read his build and buy all the same parts, would put it together and make 60-70less whp and wonder why. Thats where the knowledge comes into play.
A stock 5th Gen isn't making 700whp either like I did. He will doing fuel system soon. Then bumping boost to 15-16lbs. Then has spray for it. He actually considered pulling the Maggie and going procharger. And he still might. But between the two engine build he has over 35k invested. He did make some back though. He sold the ls3 with the h/c setup for 3500. Yes cheap 3500. I was like wow.
01-27-2013, 03:53 PM
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Mad? Why mad to go fi...for what it cost to.make a 500whp on a ls3 I made over 700whp. And the mustang come with very stout really ends, 31 spline axles stock.
And yes they have made 550whp ..are you mad your ls don't n/a. And this is you the same Guy that said your car ran this cs previous owner said so. But never ran it him self.
So what BS prices? I never made sound like anything. So your reading compression sucks yet again. Must be that air in Canada.
And I posted two making over 500 actually and can't get to other Max effort build cause banned.
And yes they have made 550whp ..are you mad your ls don't n/a. And this is you the same Guy that said your car ran this cs previous owner said so. But never ran it him self.
So what BS prices? I never made sound like anything. So your reading compression sucks yet again. Must be that air in Canada.
And I posted two making over 500 actually and can't get to other Max effort build cause banned.
01-27-2013, 03:54 PM
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http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2012/0...rd-mustang-gt/
This one made 522whp on stage 2 cams Jones of last year. There was another Guy who did full build but did stage 3 cams I am trying to find. Cause he bought cams from me when I had my manual and decided to go blower. He bought them for what I paid. He finished his in Nov or December
This one made 522whp on stage 2 cams Jones of last year. There was another Guy who did full build but did stage 3 cams I am trying to find. Cause he bought cams from me when I had my manual and decided to go blower. He bought them for what I paid. He finished his in Nov or December
01-27-2013, 04:05 PM
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No matter who makes the car... ultimately, it will always cost more money to make less power when comparing NA to Boost. Unfortunately for me... i like NA stuff... Id change the heads/cams on my car before bolting a blower to it... unless its the novi... i do like the novi kit. But i like NA more
01-27-2013, 04:06 PM
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I feel the same way Evan...I prefer making power N/A. I had an opportunity to purchase an Eaton off of an 03 Cobra about a year ago but chose not to do it. I will try to use all bolt-ons alone and pull weight from the car. Light-weight flywheel and Ceneterforce clutch next followed up by some 104600 Comp Cams.
01-27-2013, 04:29 PM
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Yes 35k with both builds. He didn't do no work him self so paid install on everything. But ya h/c, Maggie, exhaust, clutch on ls3, then the built bottom end lsx 427. Engine swap etc. Car ran 10.7@132 with the 427 setup, spinning on slicks and short shifting. He should be taking to good track soon. And have skinnies back from weld.
01-27-2013, 04:48 PM
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Oh, I thought we were talking about racing. I didnt know we were pulling our engines out of their rolling engine transport carts and strapping them to a test stand. My bad. Please, continue....
01-27-2013, 05:06 PM
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wow this got out of hand quickly. Coyote motor makes good power easily. Thats great it should its new technology. There is lots of ignorance on lsx motors here which scares me. You can build a cam only ls1 f body with nitrous and run low 10s for cheaper than you can build a 5.0. Who cares how much it costs. I mean this whole money deal is ridiculous. i have a good bit of money invested in my car. Do I care NO its just money if you don't want to spend money to make your car fast and build it right don't build it.
The guy who cuts corners at the end of the day I have his money in my pocket and him saying well you have more money in your car.
The guy who cuts corners at the end of the day I have his money in my pocket and him saying well you have more money in your car.
01-27-2013, 05:16 PM
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Cost me 5500 to make 713whp on my new 5.0 Pretty cheap. Show me a GM your going to mod for 4500 and get 713whp. Buying all new parts. Cause I'm not buying someone's used SC or cam or anything else. And my blower is good up to 1000whp..unfortunately the engine limit so far depending on tune seems to be huge range of 650-800whp.
Anxious want you to make that 700whp on something compatible not a ZR1 where have to spend 130k for the car.
If I have a13 GT500 I could made 700whp with bolt ons.
Anxious want you to make that 700whp on something compatible not a ZR1 where have to spend 130k for the car.
If I have a13 GT500 I could made 700whp with bolt ons.
01-27-2013, 05:17 PM
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wow this got out of hand quickly. Coyote motor makes good power easily. Thats great it should its new technology. There is lots of ignorance on lsx motors here which scares me. You can build a cam only ls1 f body with nitrous and run low 10s for cheaper than you can build a 5.0. Who cares how much it costs. I mean this whole money deal is ridiculous. i have a good bit of money invested in my car. Do I care NO its just money if you don't want to spend money to make your car fast and build it right don't build it.
The guy who cuts corners at the end of the day I have his money in my pocket and him saying well you have more money in your car.
The guy who cuts corners at the end of the day I have his money in my pocket and him saying well you have more money in your car.
The amount of money spent is proportionate to ones taste. Sure, any of us could go buy a **** box fox or fbody and go nuts for a fraction of what it costs just to get into a new 5.0, camaro or vette, but..... eff that lol
01-27-2013, 05:21 PM
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wow this got out of hand quickly. Coyote motor makes good power easily. Thats great it should its new technology. There is lots of ignorance on lsx motors here which scares me. You can build a cam only ls1 f body with nitrous and run low 10s for cheaper than you can build a 5.0. Who cares how much it costs. I mean this whole money deal is ridiculous. I have a good bit of money invested in my car. Do i care no its just money if you don't want to spend money to make your car fast and build it right don't build it.
The guy who cuts corners at the end of the day i have his money in my pocket and him saying well you have more money in your car.
The guy who cuts corners at the end of the day i have his money in my pocket and him saying well you have more money in your car.
01-27-2013, 05:41 PM
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01-27-2013, 05:46 PM
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My car weighs almost 3900lbs in race trim with me in it.
10.39@133 was done on about 640-650whp. Haven't ran it since the retune. Except on the street. Beat a h/c c5z bad, a 580whp c6 ls2 with h/c 125 shot. Few others.
I have a stall as well. A tune that is average for tranny honestly. It needs more tuning. But will be doing more tuning come summer after gears, and few other mods.
10.39@133 was done on about 640-650whp. Haven't ran it since the retune. Except on the street. Beat a h/c c5z bad, a 580whp c6 ls2 with h/c 125 shot. Few others.
I have a stall as well. A tune that is average for tranny honestly. It needs more tuning. But will be doing more tuning come summer after gears, and few other mods.
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01-27-2013, 05:49 PM
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I'd be pissed if my $26k mustang with $5k worth has to worry about getting its doors blown off by a LSx powered Fairmount that cost $5k total to build
http://youtu.be/X4w0IDUEiG4
http://youtu.be/X4w0IDUEiG4
And guess them modded vettes even ZR1 's are mad. And you really butt hurt that turd Gen gets *** raped by stock civics.
Also.nothing about what it runs...or proof of dyno.numbers..just some idiot making pulls
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01-27-2013, 06:33 PM
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wow this got out of hand quickly. Coyote motor makes good power easily. Thats great it should its new technology. There is lots of ignorance on lsx motors here which scares me. You can build a cam only ls1 f body with nitrous and run low 10s for cheaper than you can build a 5.0. Who cares how much it costs. I mean this whole money deal is ridiculous. i have a good bit of money invested in my car. Do I care NO its just money if you don't want to spend money to make your car fast and build it right don't build it.
The guy who cuts corners at the end of the day I have his money in my pocket and him saying well you have more money in your car.
The guy who cuts corners at the end of the day I have his money in my pocket and him saying well you have more money in your car.
01-27-2013, 06:43 PM
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I will doing some stuff to drop least 100lb off the nose come summer. Gears, longtubes, and some new tuning with better tuner. Engine is perfect t but need some working of te shdts even before gears.might drop down a pulley also.