'96Z 396 LTx Stroker beats back Cammed/Header 5th Gen SS
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i hate to say this but my car is a 5th gen and cam , exhaust , tune , rotofab. on a street tire im right there with u . not even launch it hard at all.
on the street on a roll i would roll u up i think but maybe not.
da on this pass was 2200 i think . cant remember but i know it was no better then 1800
Dekan513 Gen5 Camaro 11.9 - YouTube
on the street on a roll i would roll u up i think but maybe not.
da on this pass was 2200 i think . cant remember but i know it was no better then 1800
Dekan513 Gen5 Camaro 11.9 - YouTube
Enjoyed the video.
Thanks for the well presented contribution.
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If you guys make something out of all the bickering I might swing by.
The 383 is on an engine stand still, but if the weather is nice I'll take the 14r out to play .
I'd ride within an hour or two of central FL...
Intelligent conversation is not allowed in SRK, and ANYTHING posted is subject to flaming . SRK is the dirty, dark corner of LS1Tech where a bolt-on Honda can pull a crotch rocket on the highway, but NOTHING can beat an LS1 .
The 383 is on an engine stand still, but if the weather is nice I'll take the 14r out to play .
I'd ride within an hour or two of central FL...
Puck! Your recollection is correct… as is your well expressed opinion of the situation.
Thanks much for taking the time to contribute.
It would be great if we could get some discussion going on constructive issues, such as how setups change from season to season, proper stall size for given setups… the ever present 'best heads' issue, what techniques work best on wet, poorly prepped tracks, etc.
But it's a difficult task, on this forum for some reason.
Anywho kids… I'm headin' out on the water. Fill free to chime in and we'll pick it up later on tonight.
TTFN
Thanks much for taking the time to contribute.
It would be great if we could get some discussion going on constructive issues, such as how setups change from season to season, proper stall size for given setups… the ever present 'best heads' issue, what techniques work best on wet, poorly prepped tracks, etc.
But it's a difficult task, on this forum for some reason.
Anywho kids… I'm headin' out on the water. Fill free to chime in and we'll pick it up later on tonight.
TTFN
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Thursday night at darlington 2 - YouTube
here is my pile......lets see yours going faster in the 1/4 mile
Pulley, Blowmaster, BBK and Tune in JULY at Darlington but according to you if I calculate this right when the weather gets cold, I adjust my Stock suspension, Set my car up for the cold I should be running 9's in the winter time!
here is my pile......lets see yours going faster in the 1/4 mile
Pulley, Blowmaster, BBK and Tune in JULY at Darlington but according to you if I calculate this right when the weather gets cold, I adjust my Stock suspension, Set my car up for the cold I should be running 9's in the winter time!
LOL! Look Scout, if you don't understand air density, despite driving a setup built around the principle that high pressure is mo' betta… then I can't see any reason to spend the time to explain it to you hear.
Suffice it to say that cooler air is more dense air, more dense the air, the more efficient the combustion… (Mo' POWUH!)
So, let's be clear what you're asking above.
Are you seriously doubting that my car could not beat 12.1 in the 1/4 mile? 'Cause, I did that Friday night. So, I mean if it's just the bench racin' you're looking for, using the data in evidence, you've already lost that one.
Or are you needing my car to trap higher than 118? Not sure what the relevance of that is… but if you can produce a valid argument showing relevance of the measured speed, I'll give ya the courtesy of hearing you out and giving it objective consideration.
My position is he who crosses the trap first wins the race and with ABSOLUTELY NO (NONE, NADA, ZIP) consideration for how fast one is going, be they first or second.
There was a guy in an old Firebird, think it was a 98, that used to run 7.50s trapping 88-90 mph almost every time.
That guy would beat your 12.1 by nearly half a second.
There was another guy that ran a bad *** Z28, on a 75 shot, trapped 7.2s 94-96 mph. He would have crushed your 12.1 like the proverbial Mustank BUG. Pulling no three cars on you… LOL! You'd have to delete the pulley ALL TOGETHER and just rap it around the shaft.
He never ran it on the 1/4, but most of those who offered an opinion felt that car would clock out at 11.3ish… trapping better than 120-122 or 3.
And I'm from Florida, You might cry about the Summer time but I'm sure when you get those Negative DA's in the winter time it won't be about the weather it will be about how badass your stroked LT1 is!!
Now quit cryin' and pick a date and let's get this thing setup.
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Yeaaah… See, when you claimed my car was slow… that's 'calling me out'.
Now, it's pathetic enough when one does so from… Oh I dunno, say Louisiana.
'Cause they are just plain, punk-***, pansy, wanna-be smack talkin'. No one is going to drive 16 hours to back it up and it's not reasonable to that they'd do so.
BUT! Where one is just a few hours up the road… Well, by golly, by gosh, THAT is another thing entirely.
What is ironic here, is that you said my car was slow, with a sig-car that the info published says that it's slower than my car, as it sits, then ya posted a video of a car running slower than mine and claimed it was YOURS and that you'd be drivin' THAT!
Now let's be clear, I didn't call you out, what I said, in essence, was that you do not have a hair on your ***, if you don't bring that pile down here and stage up! Meaning you called yourself out when ya started talkin' smack.
All I did wast to sweeten the pot, as an incentive to help you do what any actual MAN couldn't be STOPPED from doing, by offering to put you up in a pretty nice hotel for a night and now you're cryin' for gas money.
Pretty soon, if the trend continues, I'll be trash talking my own car and buying you a car to race with.
Man the hell up, pick a date and let's get this thing goin'.
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Puck… Brother, I would LOVE IT if you could make it. We'll make a night of it… I'll let Junior there buy the beer. We'll take it out of his losin's… (You are old enough to buy beer, aren't ya Scout?)
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Is that the base on 378 outside of Columbia? I pass that way when I head to Myrtle Beach. See the fighter jets on the airfield.
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Not sure how it happened, but I missed this post.
LOL! Look Scout, if you don't understand air density, despite driving a setup built around the principle that high pressure is mo' betta… then I can't see any reason to spend the time to explain it to you hear.
Suffice it to say that cooler air is more dense air, more dense the air, the more efficient the combustion… (Mo' POWUH!)
So, let's be clear what you're asking above.
Are you seriously doubting that my car could not beat 12.1 in the 1/4 mile? 'Cause, I did that Friday night. So, I mean if it's just the bench racin' you're looking for, using the data in evidence, you've already lost that one.
Or are you needing my car to trap higher than 118? Not sure what the relevance of that is… but if you can produce a valid argument showing relevance of the measured speed, I'll give ya the courtesy of hearing you out and giving it objective consideration.
My position is he who crosses the trap first wins the race and with ABSOLUTELY NO (NONE, NADA, ZIP) consideration for how fast one is going, be they first or second.
There was a guy in an old Firebird, think it was a 98, that used to run 7.50s trapping 88-90 mph almost every time.
That guy would beat your 12.1 by nearly half a second.
There was another guy that ran a bad *** Z28, on a 75 shot, trapped 7.2s 94-96 mph. He would have crushed your 12.1 like the proverbial Mustank BUG. Pulling no three cars on you… LOL! You'd have to delete the pulley ALL TOGETHER and just rap it around the shaft.
He never ran it on the 1/4, but most of those who offered an opinion felt that car would clock out at 11.3ish… trapping better than 120-122 or 3.
Born and raised in Florida… Was racing here long before you were a twinkle in Momma's eye. And it is ALWAYS about how badass my 396 Stroker is.
Now quit cryin' and pick a date and let's get this thing setup.
LOL! Look Scout, if you don't understand air density, despite driving a setup built around the principle that high pressure is mo' betta… then I can't see any reason to spend the time to explain it to you hear.
Suffice it to say that cooler air is more dense air, more dense the air, the more efficient the combustion… (Mo' POWUH!)
So, let's be clear what you're asking above.
Are you seriously doubting that my car could not beat 12.1 in the 1/4 mile? 'Cause, I did that Friday night. So, I mean if it's just the bench racin' you're looking for, using the data in evidence, you've already lost that one.
Or are you needing my car to trap higher than 118? Not sure what the relevance of that is… but if you can produce a valid argument showing relevance of the measured speed, I'll give ya the courtesy of hearing you out and giving it objective consideration.
My position is he who crosses the trap first wins the race and with ABSOLUTELY NO (NONE, NADA, ZIP) consideration for how fast one is going, be they first or second.
There was a guy in an old Firebird, think it was a 98, that used to run 7.50s trapping 88-90 mph almost every time.
That guy would beat your 12.1 by nearly half a second.
There was another guy that ran a bad *** Z28, on a 75 shot, trapped 7.2s 94-96 mph. He would have crushed your 12.1 like the proverbial Mustank BUG. Pulling no three cars on you… LOL! You'd have to delete the pulley ALL TOGETHER and just rap it around the shaft.
He never ran it on the 1/4, but most of those who offered an opinion felt that car would clock out at 11.3ish… trapping better than 120-122 or 3.
Born and raised in Florida… Was racing here long before you were a twinkle in Momma's eye. And it is ALWAYS about how badass my 396 Stroker is.
Now quit cryin' and pick a date and let's get this thing setup.
Edit: I am talking 1/8th mile
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In naples florida there are like no fast cars. Thats why this guys head is so inflated.
I know several guys who used to live there and tell me about the scene. My buddy said the fastest car at the time he was there was some shitty srt4. This was back in 08ish. Theres like one track and its a 1/8 and its a POS. All there is in naples is old retired people.
Besides miami i think tampa and orlando has the bigger street racing scene of FL. But besides them Miami has the fastest cars in all FL. IMO.
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In naples florida there are like no fast cars. Thats why this guys head is so inflated.
I know several guys who used to live there and tell me about the scene. My buddy said the fastest car at the time he was there was some shitty srt4. This was back in 08ish. Theres like one track and its a 1/8 and its a POS. All there is in naples is old retired people.
Besides miami i think tampa and orlando has the bigger street racing scene of FL. But besides them Miami has the fastest cars in all FL. IMO.
I know several guys who used to live there and tell me about the scene. My buddy said the fastest car at the time he was there was some shitty srt4. This was back in 08ish. Theres like one track and its a 1/8 and its a POS. All there is in naples is old retired people.
Besides miami i think tampa and orlando has the bigger street racing scene of FL. But besides them Miami has the fastest cars in all FL. IMO.
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That's what I was figuring. The closest 1/8th mile to me does not prep extremely well. The is one a little further that if you tried walking on it you would leave your shoes and socks on the track... they VHT the whole track.. very good traction there...break stuff traction. This one is where all the local quick x275 cars run.
Thats awesome, thats how my local 1/8th is sometimes. But even if the prep was great there would be a lack of fast cars there to use it. Thats why its a **** track lol. Most of the "fast" honda guys from there would come to miami race friends of mine and they would get stomped out because to them locally there cars were actually "fast" but here they were turds. Personally he would get stomped out if he ever went to a decent track in tampa or down here in sfl.
Put it this way, my buddy with an AWD 1g dsm has been dying to catch someone from north florida offguard but everytime theres something locked in with no money, its a no show in north floridas behalf. I think its happened to him like 3 times.
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Thats awesome, thats how my local 1/8th is sometimes. But even if the prep was great there would be a lack of fast cars there to use it. Thats why its a **** track lol. Most of the "fast" honda guys from there would come to miami race friends of mine and they would get stomped out because to them locally there cars were actually "fast" but here they were turds. Personally he would get stomped out if he ever went to a decent track in tampa or down here in sfl.
Put it this way, my buddy with an AWD 1g dsm has been dying to catch someone from north florida offguard but everytime theres something locked in with no money, its a no show in north floridas behalf. I think its happened to him like 3 times.
Put it this way, my buddy with an AWD 1g dsm has been dying to catch someone from north florida offguard but everytime theres something locked in with no money, its a no show in north floridas behalf. I think its happened to him like 3 times.
And I know all about the 1g DSM's.. I had a 90' Eclipse GSX built by Dave Buschur. It moved out..on the track.. AND the stoplight. Definitely a fun car... just too many things break on it. I switched to 4 bolt axles in the rear(at the time this was strongest available), and had to keep a couple spares in the car when i went to the track.. when I would snap one, pull to pits, 10 mins later with swapped halfshaft in, back on the track. $100 a pop for those halfshafts at the local salvage yards.
Actually my DSM would have been considered fast at that track I assume since it ran low 7's @96mph on street tires all day long.
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There are a fee tho'… they usually come over from the east coast, to test and tune out of site of their local competitors.
Had a twin turbo Vette come over which was freakin NASTY… Guy pulled up in a Prevost Motor Home, had a Car Trailer that was every BIT as big and about a dozen guys poured out of their to support that dude.
He ran 5.10s… Pulled a 4.98 on one pass. I used to have the video. But it died with the laptop it was on.
This in contrast to me… who showed up in a old Z28, with slicks in the back seat and a jack and tool box and cooler in the trunk… with MAYBE one other person… usually not tho'. Running 7.20s.
I'd say that <1% of the pack runs under 6 seconds. 2-3% run under 7 Seconds. 5, maybe 6% running under 8 seconds and the rest of the pack hanging in the 8s and up.
Of the 50 or so cars that came out Friday, by far, that night, the biggest block of good close runs were in the mid to low 8s. A cam/header 5.0 and a SLEW of ricers of every conceivable stripe.
Four years ago, we had 100 - 120 cars… so apparently, there's been a major drop off of just about everything.
Another thing is, that around 7.5 they want a cage… fire gear and all that crap.
I am not interested in installing a cage…
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Not sure how it happened, but I missed this post.
LOL! Look Scout, if you don't understand air density, despite driving a setup built around the principle that high pressure is mo' betta… then I can't see any reason to spend the time to explain it to you hear.
Suffice it to say that cooler air is more dense air, more dense the air, the more efficient the combustion… (Mo' POWUH!)
So, let's be clear what you're asking above.
Are you seriously doubting that my car could not beat 12.1 in the 1/4 mile? 'Cause, I did that Friday night. So, I mean if it's just the bench racin' you're looking for, using the data in evidence, you've already lost that one.
Or are you needing my car to trap higher than 118? Not sure what the relevance of that is… but if you can produce a valid argument showing relevance of the measured speed, I'll give ya the courtesy of hearing you out and giving it objective consideration.
My position is he who crosses the trap first wins the race and with ABSOLUTELY NO (NONE, NADA, ZIP) consideration for how fast one is going, be they first or second.
There was a guy in an old Firebird, think it was a 98, that used to run 7.50s trapping 88-90 mph almost every time.
That guy would beat your 12.1 by nearly half a second.
There was another guy that ran a bad *** Z28, on a 75 shot, trapped 7.2s 94-96 mph. He would have crushed your 12.1 like the proverbial Mustank BUG. Pulling no three cars on you… LOL! You'd have to delete the pulley ALL TOGETHER and just rap it around the shaft.
He never ran it on the 1/4, but most of those who offered an opinion felt that car would clock out at 11.3ish… trapping better than 120-122 or 3.
Born and raised in Florida… Was racing here long before you were a twinkle in Momma's eye. And it is ALWAYS about how badass my 396 Stroker is.
Now quit cryin' and pick a date and let's get this thing setup.
LOL! Look Scout, if you don't understand air density, despite driving a setup built around the principle that high pressure is mo' betta… then I can't see any reason to spend the time to explain it to you hear.
Suffice it to say that cooler air is more dense air, more dense the air, the more efficient the combustion… (Mo' POWUH!)
So, let's be clear what you're asking above.
Are you seriously doubting that my car could not beat 12.1 in the 1/4 mile? 'Cause, I did that Friday night. So, I mean if it's just the bench racin' you're looking for, using the data in evidence, you've already lost that one.
Or are you needing my car to trap higher than 118? Not sure what the relevance of that is… but if you can produce a valid argument showing relevance of the measured speed, I'll give ya the courtesy of hearing you out and giving it objective consideration.
My position is he who crosses the trap first wins the race and with ABSOLUTELY NO (NONE, NADA, ZIP) consideration for how fast one is going, be they first or second.
There was a guy in an old Firebird, think it was a 98, that used to run 7.50s trapping 88-90 mph almost every time.
That guy would beat your 12.1 by nearly half a second.
There was another guy that ran a bad *** Z28, on a 75 shot, trapped 7.2s 94-96 mph. He would have crushed your 12.1 like the proverbial Mustank BUG. Pulling no three cars on you… LOL! You'd have to delete the pulley ALL TOGETHER and just rap it around the shaft.
He never ran it on the 1/4, but most of those who offered an opinion felt that car would clock out at 11.3ish… trapping better than 120-122 or 3.
Born and raised in Florida… Was racing here long before you were a twinkle in Momma's eye. And it is ALWAYS about how badass my 396 Stroker is.
Now quit cryin' and pick a date and let's get this thing setup.
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Yeaaah… See, when you claimed my car was slow… that's 'calling me out'.
Now, it's pathetic enough when one does so from… Oh I dunno, say Louisiana.
'Cause they are just plain, punk-***, pansy, wanna-be smack talkin'. No one is going to drive 16 hours to back it up and it's not reasonable to that they'd do so.
BUT! Where one is just a few hours up the road… Well, by golly, by gosh, THAT is another thing entirely.
What is ironic here, is that you said my car was slow, with a sig-car that the info published says that it's slower than my car, as it sits, then ya posted a video of a car running slower than mine and claimed it was YOURS and that you'd be drivin' THAT!
Now let's be clear, I didn't call you out, what I said, in essence, was that you do not have a hair on your ***, if you don't bring that pile down here and stage up! Meaning you called yourself out when ya started talkin' smack.
All I did wast to sweeten the pot, as an incentive to help you do what any actual MAN couldn't be STOPPED from doing, by offering to put you up in a pretty nice hotel for a night and now you're cryin' for gas money.
Pretty soon, if the trend continues, I'll be trash talking my own car and buying you a car to race with.
Man the hell up, pick a date and let's get this thing goin'.
.
.
Puck… Brother, I would LOVE IT if you could make it. We'll make a night of it… I'll let Junior there buy the beer. We'll take it out of his losin's… (You are old enough to buy beer, aren't ya Scout?)
Now, it's pathetic enough when one does so from… Oh I dunno, say Louisiana.
'Cause they are just plain, punk-***, pansy, wanna-be smack talkin'. No one is going to drive 16 hours to back it up and it's not reasonable to that they'd do so.
BUT! Where one is just a few hours up the road… Well, by golly, by gosh, THAT is another thing entirely.
What is ironic here, is that you said my car was slow, with a sig-car that the info published says that it's slower than my car, as it sits, then ya posted a video of a car running slower than mine and claimed it was YOURS and that you'd be drivin' THAT!
Now let's be clear, I didn't call you out, what I said, in essence, was that you do not have a hair on your ***, if you don't bring that pile down here and stage up! Meaning you called yourself out when ya started talkin' smack.
All I did wast to sweeten the pot, as an incentive to help you do what any actual MAN couldn't be STOPPED from doing, by offering to put you up in a pretty nice hotel for a night and now you're cryin' for gas money.
Pretty soon, if the trend continues, I'll be trash talking my own car and buying you a car to race with.
Man the hell up, pick a date and let's get this thing goin'.
.
.
Puck… Brother, I would LOVE IT if you could make it. We'll make a night of it… I'll let Junior there buy the beer. We'll take it out of his losin's… (You are old enough to buy beer, aren't ya Scout?)
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Well, 5 second street cars are pretty rare. Bracket cars… dime a dozen.
There are a fee tho'… they usually come over from the east coast, to test and tune out of site of their local competitors.
Had a twin turbo Vette come over which was freakin NASTY… Guy pulled up in a Prevost Motor Home, had a Car Trailer that was every BIT as big and about a dozen guys poured out of their to support that dude.
He ran 5.10s… Pulled a 4.98 on one pass. I used to have the video. But it died with the laptop it was on.
This in contrast to me… who showed up in a old Z28, with slicks in the back seat and a jack and tool box and cooler in the trunk… with MAYBE one other person… usually not tho'. Running 7.20s.
I'd say that <1% of the pack runs under 6 seconds. 2-3% run under 7 Seconds. 5, maybe 6% running under 8 seconds and the rest of the pack hanging in the 8s and up.
Of the 50 or so cars that came out Friday, by far, that night, the biggest block of good close runs were in the mid to low 8s. A cam/header 5.0 and a SLEW of ricers of every conceivable stripe.
Four years ago, we had 100 - 120 cars… so apparently, there's been a major drop off of just about everything.
Another thing is, that around 7.5 they want a cage… fire gear and all that crap.
I am not interested in installing a cage…
There are a fee tho'… they usually come over from the east coast, to test and tune out of site of their local competitors.
Had a twin turbo Vette come over which was freakin NASTY… Guy pulled up in a Prevost Motor Home, had a Car Trailer that was every BIT as big and about a dozen guys poured out of their to support that dude.
He ran 5.10s… Pulled a 4.98 on one pass. I used to have the video. But it died with the laptop it was on.
This in contrast to me… who showed up in a old Z28, with slicks in the back seat and a jack and tool box and cooler in the trunk… with MAYBE one other person… usually not tho'. Running 7.20s.
I'd say that <1% of the pack runs under 6 seconds. 2-3% run under 7 Seconds. 5, maybe 6% running under 8 seconds and the rest of the pack hanging in the 8s and up.
Of the 50 or so cars that came out Friday, by far, that night, the biggest block of good close runs were in the mid to low 8s. A cam/header 5.0 and a SLEW of ricers of every conceivable stripe.
Four years ago, we had 100 - 120 cars… so apparently, there's been a major drop off of just about everything.
Another thing is, that around 7.5 they want a cage… fire gear and all that crap.
I am not interested in installing a cage…
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All I know is there is a barbed wire fence that seems to go on for miles and miles.