M6 Roll Race Techniques... what's yours?
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Originally Posted by 1genCamaro
You're an *******, nuff said. Had you said something like "In my experience I found that your **** will break faster by dumping it" it would have been fine, it might have even sounded like constructive critisism but instead you just made yourself sound like an ***.And if those times were from 3 years ago why dont you just post up a more recent timeslip and let us all know how much better you are than us.
Way to back track.....dick
Way to back track.....dick
Jesus man, Seems like your the ******* man. You need to chill out a little. My friend(unbelievableLS1) comes in here, voices his opinion(a little too strongly he admitted and apologized), and you get on his *** like he's a ricer flaming your car or something. What he says is the truth...:for a average stock drivetrain, there is now way that you should do "clutch dumps" from a roll....that is, unless your Venkman...his car seems to be touched by the hand of god or something...Anyways, you need to chill out with your popping your top every tiume someone says something critical of you, or something you don't agree with...it's all in good fun. Unbelievable is just sorta like that; he is a little pushy sometimes in his posts, BUT if you knew him well enough, you'd undserstand that.....and anyways, he said eh came across as too strong and apologized, but I agree with him....you're asking for some serious problems with your car with all that drivetrain shock f dumping the clutch from a roll....
Then again, that's my opinion....i guess i'm a dumbass for having one of those!!!haha, J/K
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Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS
Is taching/ rev matching better than simply gunning it in gear?
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I do what i call my 'upper deck launch' from a 45 roll basically at 2.25 honks, both feet go to the floor, at 2.95 honks, my left foot comes up rapidly. As you saw from the supra video, it usually results in about a 1 car jump right off the bat ![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
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You should always be in a gear resulting in RPM's that is closest to your vehicles peak torque. Only reason I would WOT w/pop-clutch would be if I am in first gear at a speed that puts RPM's much lower then peak torque. Maybe 20mph in a 8500rpm Ferrari Modena 360 would benefit from this because the power curve is so high?
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By the way, I'm not too concerned about breaking my Moser 9", Heavy Duty Driveshaft or Spec III Clutch, I just want to know what jump method is more effective.
Hmm... sounds almost like what you would do in a double clutch...
YEAH JUST LIKE THAT
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This is my car's powerband. Graph is up to date with my mods.
I'm fussing with all these questions 'cause I've been called out by an M6 LT-1 with intake, cutout and a 150 shot. It's gonna be a roll race, and I think it's gonna be close, so I need all the technique I can get,
I'm fussing with all these questions 'cause I've been called out by an M6 LT-1 with intake, cutout and a 150 shot. It's gonna be a roll race, and I think it's gonna be close, so I need all the technique I can get,
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I can give you a pretty close idea about the LT1, as I used to have one with a set-up VERY similar to that one. It was a 94'Z, A4 w/3.42's, CAI, 1LE elbow, ported MAF, FRA, all free mods, Borla ORY, 3" bullet muffler dumped under pass. side, MSD coil, Taylor wires, TR-6's, Spohn Tq. Arm w/-4* of pinion angle, stock intake, stock heads, stock cam, and stock manifolds. My best time was an 11.72 @117.xx on a 1.74 60'. That was done on ET Streets.
It should be quite the close race actually, especially considering he's a 6-speed, and if it's a wet shot. But, don't be surprised if you pull him, because he'll have to be on top of his game to get the most outta that car. My car was in pristine condition when I ran those times, and the weather was optimal. In normal conditions, my mpf was usually 115, and occsionally 116. My bottle pressure was always @950-1050 psi, thanks to my bottle heater. Oh yeah, that was with an NX kit.
It should be quite the close race actually, especially considering he's a 6-speed, and if it's a wet shot. But, don't be surprised if you pull him, because he'll have to be on top of his game to get the most outta that car. My car was in pristine condition when I ran those times, and the weather was optimal. In normal conditions, my mpf was usually 115, and occsionally 116. My bottle pressure was always @950-1050 psi, thanks to my bottle heater. Oh yeah, that was with an NX kit.
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Looks like you are making good power up to 6900rpms. I would start in the gear closest to 5000rpms (not higher if starting and slower MPH's). If racing with that 3 honk thing then you can WOT w/clutch-pop to add extra energy to the launch . . . That would give you everything you got. If you are doing a more spontaneous roll-on, just drop the hammer.
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Originally Posted by Turnin'LT4
Brian you are a moron.
and go play with yourself.
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WTF man??? Chill out George. You and I both know that you agree with what brian posted as far as "tech" goes.....you know you can't clutch dump a stock drivetrain car and expect it to continue to survive for long....what's with all the hostility? From what i can tell, this thread is pretty much finished...
South FL 02 SS- I say race him once from a regular roll, and if that isn't enough tot take him down, then i guess go for the "clutch dump" theory....I wouldn't reccommend it, but you have the buildup to handle it.
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Originally Posted by Turnin'LT4
Brian you are a moron.
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It's a 150 dry shot.
Doing the math, his peak hp will be similar to mine, but I'm worried about the torque advantage from the spray.
Hey hey, start a new thread to air out your dirty laundry....
Doing the math, his peak hp will be similar to mine, but I'm worried about the torque advantage from the spray.
Hey hey, start a new thread to air out your dirty laundry....
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Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS
It's a 150 dry shot.
Doing the math, his peak hp will be similar to mine, but I'm worried about the torque advantage from the spray.
Hey hey, start a new thread to air out your dirty laundry....
Doing the math, his peak hp will be similar to mine, but I'm worried about the torque advantage from the spray.
Hey hey, start a new thread to air out your dirty laundry....
If it's a 150 dry shot, it will probably yield around 120 or so at the wheels. Most every car we've had in the shop with a dry kit, on the 150 pills, that's around what they pick up on the jug, give or take a few. You are right though, he will defenitely have the torque advantage, and that will put him out front from the get-go, but whether or not he can stay out front really just depends on how much rwhp he's putting down, and how well he can drive. It's pretty much going to be a drivers race since you're going from a roll. Just don't be surprised if he jumps out on you at the very beginning. Like I said earlier though, you should squeeze back around him.
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Originally Posted by UnbelievabLS1
99-LS1-SS......do you even have any clue what you're talking about? Reccommending to somebody that you think that's the way they should launch leads me to believe that you have the FnF box set collectors edition! ![The Jester](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_jest.gif)
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:edit: I am chilling out because he apologized. I didn't get that far before I posted. You just struck me wrong with your attitude.
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Originally Posted by tim99ws6
WTF man??? Chill out George. You and I both know that you agree with what brian posted as far as "tech" goes.....you know you can't clutch dump a stock drivetrain car and expect it to continue to survive for long....what's with all the hostility? From what i can tell, this thread is pretty much finished...
South FL 02 SS- I say race him once from a regular roll, and if that isn't enough tot take him down, then i guess go for the "clutch dump" theory....I wouldn't reccommend it, but you have the buildup to handle it.
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South FL 02 SS- I say race him once from a regular roll, and if that isn't enough tot take him down, then i guess go for the "clutch dump" theory....I wouldn't reccommend it, but you have the buildup to handle it.
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Originally Posted by tim99ws6
Jesus man, Seems like your the ******* man. You need to chill out a little. My friend(unbelievableLS1) comes in here, voices his opinion(a little too strongly he admitted and apologized), and you get on his *** like he's a ricer flaming your car or something. What he says is the truth...:for a average stock drivetrain, there is now way that you should do "clutch dumps" from a roll....that is, unless your Venkman...his car seems to be touched by the hand of god or something...Anyways, you need to chill out with your popping your top every tiume someone says something critical of you, or something you don't agree with...it's all in good fun. Unbelievable is just sorta like that; he is a little pushy sometimes in his posts, BUT if you knew him well enough, you'd undserstand that.....and anyways, he said eh came across as too strong and apologized, but I agree with him....you're asking for some serious problems with your car with all that drivetrain shock f dumping the clutch from a roll....
Then again, that's my opinion....i guess i'm a dumbass for having one of those!!!haha, J/K
Tim
Then again, that's my opinion....i guess i'm a dumbass for having one of those!!!haha, J/K
Tim
Had you said something like "In my experience I found that your **** will break faster by dumping it" it would have been fine, it might have even sounded like constructive critisism but instead you just made yourself sound like an ***.
And I have no problem with either of you other than his statement, mentioned above, but next time why dont you let big pappa stick up for himself