2007 GT500 640 hp vs 2013 ZL1 670hp
12-17-2013, 09:20 AM
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That's what has happened since they don't like the results of the straight line comparisons.
The argument changes to show the git'r'dun Camaro coming out on top.
You better believe if the ZL1 was faster in a straight line, it'd be splashed in someone's face any time a GT500 was mentioned.
...and LMAO at HiO saying a 5th gen has better visibility, not even being a dick with the short thing but it must be height related...I sat in a 5th gen and felt like I was in a box with slits for rear windows.
The argument changes to show the git'r'dun Camaro coming out on top.
You better believe if the ZL1 was faster in a straight line, it'd be splashed in someone's face any time a GT500 was mentioned.
...and LMAO at HiO saying a 5th gen has better visibility, not even being a dick with the short thing but it must be height related...I sat in a 5th gen and felt like I was in a box with slits for rear windows.
12-17-2013, 09:28 AM
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Evan Smith didn't just drive Fords. He worked under McMullen-Argus (formerly CSK Publishing) who also owned a few GM-based magazines you may have heard of, such as GM High-Tech (or High-Tech as it was originally known), Super Chevy and High-Performance Pontiac. He was the guy that took a bone-stock '96 LT1 Camaro SS to low 13's, and a stock LS1 F-body into the 12's twice, both times posting the results in an article of MM&FF ironically. The guy can flat-out drive! I spent a day with Evan, Jim Campisano and a few other guys from MM&FF at Carlsbad back in the day. Super cool guy and definitely not biased. Lol
And the only thing keeping my 500 out of the 10's is the 20" tires. Does that mean it is a slow car? Like your above statement.. you think a ZL-1 will win?
And your 555's do great on a 28 degree day because you dont have torque we have to deal with. In temps below 60 degrees my car now shreds the 555r's in 2nd gear at any speed. Below 40 and it shreds them in 3rd gear above 60. Near 700ft-lb torque as soon as you floor it tends to do that... but its a slow car.
And your 555's do great on a 28 degree day because you dont have torque we have to deal with. In temps below 60 degrees my car now shreds the 555r's in 2nd gear at any speed. Below 40 and it shreds them in 3rd gear above 60. Near 700ft-lb torque as soon as you floor it tends to do that... but its a slow car.
You have about a 900lb advantage on us. Physics says it takes more power for us to move more weight.Also the weight difference would not be 900lb. Probably 700.........btw I'll take 200 hp over 700lb any day.
Not really....to 1 dimensional. But it's the cheapest form of racing you can do with a car. Also the easiest on the car. For those that think they can drive it's also very quick to show they can't.
12-17-2013, 09:34 AM
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That's what has happened since they don't like the results of the straight line comparisons.
The argument changes to show the git'r'dun Camaro coming out on top.
You better believe if the ZL1 was faster in a straight line, it'd be splashed in someone's face any time a GT500 was mentioned.
...and LMAO at HiO saying a 5th gen has better visibility, not even being a dick with the short thing but it must be height related...I sat in a 5th gen and felt like I was in a box with slits for rear windows.
The argument changes to show the git'r'dun Camaro coming out on top.
You better believe if the ZL1 was faster in a straight line, it'd be splashed in someone's face any time a GT500 was mentioned.
...and LMAO at HiO saying a 5th gen has better visibility, not even being a dick with the short thing but it must be height related...I sat in a 5th gen and felt like I was in a box with slits for rear windows.
12-17-2013, 09:41 AM
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Are you pushing your car 10/10ths on the street? My point is I don't think hardly anyone in this section is taking their cars out on road courses so why are we having this discussion? If the road course is your thing why would you be looking at either car? I'd rather have the boss or the corvette.
12-17-2013, 09:49 AM
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Even if your only pushing it 8/10's or 9/10's it's still a better handler at that 8 or 9/10's. The ZL is a better handler than a Boss......than base vette's to. It's the total driving experience and in a chassis ripe for added power.
12-17-2013, 10:24 AM
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LOL......because you have to turn on the street. There are wonderful on/off ramps out there to enjoy. Try this next on your way to work......drive a 1/4 mile then turn around and go the opposite direction for a 1/4 mile. Let use know how long it takes you to go to work. Then you'll understand just how important turning is.
I've been in both.....just my observation. Maybe you should take your blinders off and actually look through the glass.
I've been in both.....just my observation. Maybe you should take your blinders off and actually look through the glass.
12-17-2013, 10:58 AM
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If you're so concerned about handling why are you driving a 4th gen?
12-17-2013, 11:16 AM
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Don't be quoting mag times......only internet times like Icantrun11's.
Come on......2v's are the epitome of performance.
What I thought was funny is that tests before the c6 Z06 came out did not get that thing out of the 12's. Then after it magically picked up greatly.
The ZL does flat smoke it in every performance other than acceleration......which is near =.
It would be my #1 car to have of all time.
I gots no powa!!
So your excuse is weight now too......hmmm......funny when people mention the weight of a ZL you guys jump all over that as a big pig. You have a big pig?
Also the weight difference would not be 900lb. Probably 700.........btw I'll take 200 hp over 700lb any day.
Not really....to 1 dimensional. But it's the cheapest form of racing you can do with a car. Also the easiest on the car. For those that think they can drive it's also very quick to show they can't.
Come on......2v's are the epitome of performance.
What I thought was funny is that tests before the c6 Z06 came out did not get that thing out of the 12's. Then after it magically picked up greatly.
The ZL does flat smoke it in every performance other than acceleration......which is near =.
It would be my #1 car to have of all time.
I gots no powa!!
So your excuse is weight now too......hmmm......funny when people mention the weight of a ZL you guys jump all over that as a big pig. You have a big pig?
Also the weight difference would not be 900lb. Probably 700.........btw I'll take 200 hp over 700lb any day.
Not really....to 1 dimensional. But it's the cheapest form of racing you can do with a car. Also the easiest on the car. For those that think they can drive it's also very quick to show they can't.
12-17-2013, 11:18 AM
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Take my blinders off? That would require me to borrow your Sawzall and hack the rear window openings in the Camaro much bigger in order to increase visibility. I guess it's not a problem if you don't mind opening your driver's side door to see behind you every time you back into a parking spot.
Is there a better all round performance car for the $$. I don't think there ever has been for the $$. They handle great.....or atleast mine did but it came with SLP handling package. A strano/koni set-up is a no brainer for handling improvement also. The good stiff chassis is a great start for improvements. Brakes are big enough to be easily upgraded for cheap. A set of stainless braided lines and PFC pads and they stop like a champ. Do they compare to the 12+ 5th gen's ....not w/o mods. A 1le.......probably not.
12-17-2013, 11:22 AM
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A buddy of mine got the V6 5th Gen Camaro as a rental because his car was in the shop. He let me drive it and i could barely see out the back window, Hell when they first came out another buddy of mine bought one and he kept it for a few months then sold it. His reasons was 1. it was slow, and 2. he couldn't see out the rear window. All of the people that I know that have driven that car have complained about not being able to see out the back and if im not mistaken thats the number one complaint on them, even car magazines have complained about it. I think the car looks very good and they sell good as well. They had 14k of them sold before they even cam out to me thats what helped saved GM. Only if the new Trans Am came out to help save Pontiac as well 
12-17-2013, 11:30 AM
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I can't believe someone is actually debating this, but please illustrate to me how the ZL1 is anything remotely comparable in performance to a Ford GT. I am not being a fanboy in the least...but you are completely ******* nuts if you truly believe this...
12-17-2013, 11:35 AM
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maybe you just can't drive.
Is there a better all round performance car for the $$. I don't think there ever has been for the $$. They handle great.....or atleast mine did but it came with SLP handling package. A strano/koni set-up is a no brainer for handling improvement also. The good stiff chassis is a great start for improvements. Brakes are big enough to be easily upgraded for cheap. A set of stainless braided lines and PFC pads and they stop like a champ. Do they compare to the 12+ 5th gen's ....not w/o mods. A 1le.......probably not.
Is there a better all round performance car for the $$. I don't think there ever has been for the $$. They handle great.....or atleast mine did but it came with SLP handling package. A strano/koni set-up is a no brainer for handling improvement also. The good stiff chassis is a great start for improvements. Brakes are big enough to be easily upgraded for cheap. A set of stainless braided lines and PFC pads and they stop like a champ. Do they compare to the 12+ 5th gen's ....not w/o mods. A 1le.......probably not.
12-17-2013, 11:45 AM
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maybe you just can't drive.
Is there a better all round performance car for the $$. I don't think there ever has been for the $$. They handle great.....or atleast mine did but it came with SLP handling package. A strano/koni set-up is a no brainer for handling improvement also. The good stiff chassis is a great start for improvements. Brakes are big enough to be easily upgraded for cheap. A set of stainless braided lines and PFC pads and they stop like a champ. Do they compare to the 12+ 5th gen's ....not w/o mods. A 1le.......probably not.
Is there a better all round performance car for the $$. I don't think there ever has been for the $$. They handle great.....or atleast mine did but it came with SLP handling package. A strano/koni set-up is a no brainer for handling improvement also. The good stiff chassis is a great start for improvements. Brakes are big enough to be easily upgraded for cheap. A set of stainless braided lines and PFC pads and they stop like a champ. Do they compare to the 12+ 5th gen's ....not w/o mods. A 1le.......probably not.
I mean WTF are you even arguing?
12-17-2013, 11:52 AM
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A buddy of mine got the V6 5th Gen Camaro as a rental because his car was in the shop. He let me drive it and i could barely see out the back window, Hell when they first came out another buddy of mine bought one and he kept it for a few months then sold it. His reasons was 1. it was slow, and 2. he couldn't see out the rear window. All of the people that I know that have driven that car have complained about not being able to see out the back and if im not mistaken thats the number one complaint on them, even car magazines have complained about it. I think the car looks very good and they sell good as well. They had 14k of them sold before they even cam out to me thats what helped saved GM. Only if the new Trans Am came out to help save Pontiac as well
Your right....it's nuts the Ford GT is 8sec of the pace around VIR........that the 1LE is quicker than it also......completely nuts.
Coming from someone who thinks that fox body's are great I can understand your comment. BTW.....the mirrors suck on a fox body. Can't see **** out of them.
12-17-2013, 11:57 AM
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What does my being a foot taller than you and not being able to see out the rear window of a 5th gen worth a **** have **** to do with driving? You mean the backing up part? Have fun clipping kids riding their bikes behind you because the visibility is pure ****!
I mean WTF are you even arguing?
I mean WTF are you even arguing?
Look at that pic closely...look at the outlined black around the window. If I'm not mistaking the actual see threw glass part on the 5th gen is larger. Not to mention it's easier to see through the front from the back on the 5th gen. Thanks for proving my point.
12-17-2013, 12:02 PM
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Are they the easiest cars in the world to see out of.....no.....is the mustang???? no and you can't see out of the back window at all when the rear seat headrests are flipped up. You want to see around your car very very nicely???? Buy a damn Spark.......or how bout smart car.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html
Your right....it's nuts the Ford GT is 8sec of the pace around VIR........that the 1LE is quicker than it also......completely nuts.
More so than you can imagine. Google PTG BMW's. We would have team appreciation track days from time to time where we got to drive the race cars.
Coming from someone who thinks that fox body's are great I can understand your comment. BTW.....the mirrors suck on a fox body. Can't see **** out of them.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html
Your right....it's nuts the Ford GT is 8sec of the pace around VIR........that the 1LE is quicker than it also......completely nuts.
More so than you can imagine. Google PTG BMW's. We would have team appreciation track days from time to time where we got to drive the race cars.
Coming from someone who thinks that fox body's are great I can understand your comment. BTW.....the mirrors suck on a fox body. Can't see **** out of them.
12-17-2013, 12:04 PM
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Are they the easiest cars in the world to see out of.....no.....is the mustang???? no and you can't see out of the back window at all when the rear seat headrests are flipped up. You want to see around your car very very nicely???? Buy a damn Spark.......or how bout smart car.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html
Your right....it's nuts the Ford GT is 8sec of the pace around VIR........that the 1LE is quicker than it also......completely nuts.
More so than you can imagine. Google PTG BMW's. We would have team appreciation track days from time to time where we got to drive the race cars.
Coming from someone who thinks that fox body's are great I can understand your comment. BTW.....the mirrors suck on a fox body. Can't see **** out of them.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html
Your right....it's nuts the Ford GT is 8sec of the pace around VIR........that the 1LE is quicker than it also......completely nuts.
More so than you can imagine. Google PTG BMW's. We would have team appreciation track days from time to time where we got to drive the race cars.
Coming from someone who thinks that fox body's are great I can understand your comment. BTW.....the mirrors suck on a fox body. Can't see **** out of them.
12-17-2013, 12:06 PM
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IDK.....maybe you just can't drive in reverse. Look at that pic closely...look at the outlined black around the window. If I'm not mistaking the actual see threw glass part on the 5th gen is larger. Not to mention it's easier to see through the front from the back on the 5th gen. Thanks for proving my point.
12-17-2013, 12:06 PM
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IDK.....maybe you just can't drive in reverse.
Look at that pic closely...look at the outlined black around the window. If I'm not mistaking the actual see threw glass part on the 5th gen is larger. Not to mention it's easier to see through the front from the back on the 5th gen. Thanks for proving my point.
Look at that pic closely...look at the outlined black around the window. If I'm not mistaking the actual see threw glass part on the 5th gen is larger. Not to mention it's easier to see through the front from the back on the 5th gen. Thanks for proving my point.
Are you crazy look at the back pillars those are huge blind spots the mustang clearly has less blind spots out the back window!
12-17-2013, 12:06 PM
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Are they the easiest cars in the world to see out of.....no.....is the mustang???? no and you can't see out of the back window at all when the rear seat headrests are flipped up. You want to see around your car very very nicely???? Buy a damn Spark.......or how bout smart car.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html
Your right....it's nuts the Ford GT is 8sec of the pace around VIR........that the 1LE is quicker than it also......completely nuts.
More so than you can imagine. Google PTG BMW's. We would have team appreciation track days from time to time where we got to drive the race cars.
Coming from someone who thinks that fox body's are great I can understand your comment. BTW.....the mirrors suck on a fox body. Can't see **** out of them.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html
Your right....it's nuts the Ford GT is 8sec of the pace around VIR........that the 1LE is quicker than it also......completely nuts.
More so than you can imagine. Google PTG BMW's. We would have team appreciation track days from time to time where we got to drive the race cars.
Coming from someone who thinks that fox body's are great I can understand your comment. BTW.....the mirrors suck on a fox body. Can't see **** out of them.