Originally Posted by islander033

Coming from a dude that runs 14.0s CORRECTED, LOL.

10-12 GT500s are a drivers race for a ZL1. Chevy aimed too low...not Furd's fault.

Originally Posted by Gt4urass

Pretty sure MAC was referencing the Ford GT supercar, and if you understood that and still wrote what you did...then you are truly delusional. Evan Smith went 11.9@118+ in a stone stock '11 GT500, it was in a magazine, thus, it's scripture. Also, there is a chart somewhere that illustrates all of the magazine tests, and in braking, handling, and acceleration, the the '13 GT500 came out on top in more of the mags than the ZL. Just the facts brother.

Originally Posted by big hammer

zl1's have gone 11.7's, more than once, with average joes driving. and the 13 gt500 is a good one lap wonder, then the brakes basically just catch on fire.

Originally Posted by islander033

This is what Livernois charges to get a ZL1 into the 9s. From yesterday on C5.

No customer driven car has been in the 9s either...

Originally Posted by Lawhead

We talking stock ZL1s?

Originally Posted by islander033

Nope on all these accounts.

My "extra" hp is pushing more weight, it's called physics.

Originally Posted by Mike Morris

What does a pre 13 GT500 run off the showroom floor? Best pass I have seen is 12.4s. Hard to find one at track stock these days. Even at Cecil I saw many pre 13s run low 12s with tire and mods.

Originally Posted by big hammer

that's just it. if the zl1 is a turd, pre 13 500's are even more of a turd.

Originally Posted by Gt4urass

Pretty sure MAC was referencing the Ford GT supercar, and if you understood that and still wrote what you did...then you are truly delusional. Evan Smith went 11.9@118+ in a stone stock '11 GT500, it was in a magazine, thus, it's scripture. Also, there is a chart somewhere that illustrates all of the magazine tests, and in braking, handling, and acceleration, the the '13 GT500 came out on top in more of the mags than the ZL. Just the facts brother.

Originally Posted by islander033

This is what Livernois charges to get a ZL1 into the 9s. From yesterday on C5.

No customer driven car has been in the 9s either...

Originally Posted by big hammer

zl1's have gone 11.7's, more than once, with average joes driving. and the 13 gt500 is a good one lap wonder, then the brakes basically just catch on fire.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

LOL......excuse much.......sucka!!!!!!!!

So now your heavyness is the point of sobbing. You do realize that with 200 more hp your car should go much faster than the 600~ difference says . You should be a 1.5 sec faster. But just like the rest of dyno queen furds......It under performs for the power.

Now come on Mike......you know that what you see and experiences you have don't matter.........according to Icantrun11's

That's all I'm saying. For the ragging the ZL gets furd sure did produce some junk leading up to it.

Yea I was saying the ford gt to. Very unimpressive performance for that car.

Evan Smith testing for fast fords mag.......the mag where furds magically go a 1/2 sec faster than the times you guys can produce.


All that shows is that someone has more money than ability to work on the car is all that proves. Bring me one.....m6 car please.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

LOL......excuse much.......sucka!!!!!!!!
No excuse, it's a fact. What's your car weigh with you in it when you pull up to the tree?

So now your heavyness is the point of sobbing. You do realize that with 200 more hp your car should go much faster than the 600~ difference says . You should be a 1.5 sec faster. But just like the rest of dyno queen furds......It under performs for the power.

No sobbing either. It is what it is.

All that shows is that someone has more money than ability to work on the car is all that proves. Bring me one.....m6 car please.

Other shops can be even more spendy by other owner reports.

I'd love to see you run a bone stock, M6, 2012-2014 ZL1 with the tire of your choice, at the track of your choice for 1 entire day.

I'd bet a good chunk of change that you couldn't hit 10s with it.

Originally Posted by Gt4urass

I was providing info, not starting an argument. Facts are facts, and using a single brake fade experience as an excuse to knock the car is...kinda ridiculous. It's certainly not going to have any more of an issue getting around a track without brakes than the ZL will without steering...nothing is perfect.

Originally Posted by big hammer

well if it happened once it'll happen again. doesn't take a rocket doctor to figure that one out.

Originally Posted by Gt4urass

Ever heard of an isolated incident? If not, I suppose that means that ALL ZL1 owners can anticipate steering failures?

Originally Posted by big hammer

is the steering pn a zl1 a poorly engineered design flaw like the gt500's brakes?

Originally Posted by Gt4urass

Not in my eyes. I don't think either vehicle is poorly engineered. My point was that saying all GT500s have shitty brakes because of one test on one day with one car is very closed minded and foolish. Just an opinion though.

Originally Posted by big hammer

it's not foolish at all. they're not cooled properly. they're inadequate for the speeds the gt500 can pull.

not that it matters. NOBODY buys a gt500 to be a road course dominator. they're meant to be a straight line beast.

Originally Posted by "MAC"

Whats real funny is that motor trend and alike car magazines have gotten the Ford GT to run fully stock 11.3 1/4 just imagine what some of the people in this site alone could run.....