big hammer

ova might be on to something. I know with combine classes cost has nothing to do with it, but HP is part of the criteria.

427zm

iTrader: (9)

Tier 4i will throw a multiplier on your combine pricing!

big hammer

interm? it already did. several grand.

OVA1

iTrader: (12)

PC… Come ON MAN! Its obvious… Look at the TREES… The ZL1 is running in the dead of summer, with plumage in full summer regalia… while the 500 is running along side throughly strip winter-dead branches.

Are we serious here? You want to set aside the effects of, if NOTHING ELSE: Air Density?

Be serious… That video has been all over the Ford sites and that is hardly a NEW point, nor has ANYONE brought ANYTHING to the table that might invalidate the point.

The suspension system on the ZL1 is VASTLY SUPERIOR to the straight axle 500. It's not even a debatable point… The 500 puts down 20% more power but it can't keep it on the ground as well as the ZL1.

That's just the way it is… the ZL1 is a better car, man. It's just slower out of the box.

So, look what I did for ya there.

I stated that the 500 is Faster… (Not that it's debatable… but no one is denying it.)

So in terms of straight line speed, in stock trim, the 500 wins. So if the issue is simply speed… you have everything ya could ask for.

How much more can I do for ya? Honestly?

427zm

iTrader: (9)

Yep. My company is the Volvo CE dealer. Tier 4i is tough to deal with. Cost sky rocketed! Thanks EPA!

big hammer

so far deere has done it with just dpf and egr. but tier4 final is coming and they're putting a **** tank on it. they said they did make the final emissions without it, but just barely. and if they get tested and don't pass then they get huge fines.

older iveco engines drink **** fluid like mad.

Irunelevens

Please don't make him think you agree with him.

Lawhead

iTrader: (14)

Car is in SC for a short time maybe we can meet up and run the cars

You going to DR?

OneSlowV

iTrader: (2)

Case is doing pretty good from what i hear.

big hammer

no case dealer here. and with multi unit deals they almost make it impossible to run different colours of iron.

OVA1

iTrader: (12)

Don't get nervous buddy. You're ok.

No need to panic here. I'd hate to see ya damage the kids college fund by running out and buying a bigger blower just to win a friendly discussion.


Be cool…

Poppacapp

WHat won't do it? The ZL is the GT500 competitor. You built motor Z is not. Faster or not... hell if we want to talk faster, I would also take a ZR1 out if that's what you want to hear. But I am modified.

big hammer

I agree with ova that the zl1 is the better car, just slower in a straight line oot of the box.

Poppacapp

Seriously though hammer? A 2 seat sports car in the same class as a 4 seat pony car? Common man.. I give you more credit than that.

big hammer

so the boss ls is a direct vette competitor then.

Poppacapp

Do you honestly not think GM tested the ZL1 in year round conditions at the Ring? You think they ran out there one time and posted that time? That was their BEST time.

I will concede to you that an IRS system is more capable on a road course than SRA. We shall see how the new S550 Mustangs do when they come out with IRS.

Poppacapp

The Volvo heavy duty trucks? Just curious... I work for Daimler Trucks North America (Freightliner, Western Star, Sterling etc)

Poppacapp

Not sure yet. If work isn't hectic for next weekend, I might try to ride out there. If I can't make it, I can meet somewhere between us,, grab some grub, race etc.

Poppacapp

The car is a good handler no doubt. I never said it wasnt. Just that the ZL and 500 are direct competitors... not the Corvettes.

Edit: and yes.. dammit, I will start to remember to multiquote.

Poppacapp

..... No.. .. You are arguing semantics now.