2014 C7 Corvette vs 2014 GT500
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last I checked thats a question not me making a statement on how power classes are legit. but do i believe that power is involved in making classes yes i do but do i believe thats the only reason for making classes NO. the only time a power class is legit is when you are comparing two or more cars for that very reason only and if thats the case then thats the ONLY time the GT500 would be considered to compete with the Viper, Vette, Lambo etc.... (any production car with 600hp to 699 hp)
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I could care less about power how i compare two cars is this the purpose of what the car is built for from FACTORY.
Track cars from factory (except cobra jet and copo)
Zr1, 1LE, Boss 302/Boss 302 Laguna Seca, Viper ACR/ACR-X/TA
Show me where the makers of the gt500 have said that the gt500 is a purpose built track car and ill gladly say i have been an idoit and im wrong until then opinions are like ******** everyone has one
Track cars from factory (except cobra jet and copo)
Zr1, 1LE, Boss 302/Boss 302 Laguna Seca, Viper ACR/ACR-X/TA
Show me where the makers of the gt500 have said that the gt500 is a purpose built track car and ill gladly say i have been an idoit and im wrong until then opinions are like ******** everyone has one
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last I checked thats a question not me making a statement on how power classes are legit. but do i believe that power is involved in making classes yes i do but do i believe thats the only reason for making classes NO. the only time a power class is legit is when you are comparing two or more cars for that very reason only and if thats the case then thats the ONLY time the GT500 would be considered to compete with the Viper, Vette, Lambo etc.... (any production car with 600hp to 699 hp)
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no **** sherlock who said it was? oh thats right not me. you clearly cant read or just cant understand English and yet you try to be funny and yet your not
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Well, in all honesty the Z is presently back under the knife.
But Lloyd has the heads ready and is presently working out the Valve train. Should be back in house in a couple of weeks… Can't WAIT!
Tons of new stuff goin' on in the suspension dep't… .
Golly… As a Z28, I suppose that puts me in the same class as the Ford 5.0.
ROFLMNAO!~
I can't even finish that. Too funny.
But Lloyd has the heads ready and is presently working out the Valve train. Should be back in house in a couple of weeks… Can't WAIT!
Tons of new stuff goin' on in the suspension dep't… .
Golly… As a Z28, I suppose that puts me in the same class as the Ford 5.0.
ROFLMNAO!~
I can't even finish that. Too funny.
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You clearly cant read and your as bad as auto and snake95 and BTW he also said the ZL1 is a purpose built track car dumbass
no **** sherlock who said it was? oh thats right not me. you clearly cant read or just cant understand English and yet you try to be funny and yet your not
no **** sherlock who said it was? oh thats right not me. you clearly cant read or just cant understand English and yet you try to be funny and yet your not
Edit: And there are some things where "IMO" doesn't matter. Certain things do not come down to opinion. Just like before, you are simply wrong. There is no reason to carry this discussion any further.
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I never got a solid answer on my '98 Mustang/Camaro question. Just the usual long, drawn-out response from OVA that doubled back on itself and went nowhere. The V6 Mustang and F-body were in the same class '96-'98, and the F-body kicked its ***. The GT was in the same class as the Z28 and T/A, and also got its *** kicked. The Cobra was in the same class as the SS and WS6, and against the LT1s was only a little behind. In '98 it was even further behind. That is just a fact. Why these two people can't accept that the same is true with the Camaro now is beyond me.
It was the one that explained that GM introduced a new engine design in '98.
A design which dramatically improved the engine's means to breath, therefore to produce more power.
This being distinct from what Ford did in the new 500, wherein it opened up the cylinders on the same-old engine and slapped on a bigger blower.
Ford was phoning it in throughout the 90s and as a result, got their *** consistently handed to them.
The new Ford GT500 is, I believe, a sign that Ford… in 2013, (someone call NASA and find out how long its been since '96-98) has FINALLY decided to get back in the game.
It hasn't done anything particularly new YET! But I believe that the signs indicate that they've got something cookin'… and let me be the first to say: "WELCOME BACK! Better late let than Never and WHAT TOOK SO LONG?".
Also… just to rub it in, The GT500 is a fast car. Proving once again that anything can be fast if ya slap a big enough blower on it.
On a side note… Did anyone see the video of that GT500 beating the new base C7 (LT1) Vette? It took all day, but by goodness! It finally got there!
Good on ya Blue Oval!
That's one fine blower ya got there!
(Who makes it?)
That's one fine blower ya got there!
(Who makes it?)
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PLUS!
And this, I feel, is key…
By actually tightening down the intake this time. We should see some marginal improvement in fuel economy, particularly under power.
Maybe even make power…
While I will likely still seal up the intake with a nice bead of silicon, I intend to tie a ribbon around my finger, this time, to remind me to finish torquing down the intake.
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And that'll be nice.
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Fastest ZL1 currently in captivity, was accomplished by building the entire engine (sans block and maybe crank), porting the 1.9L blower and over spinning it with the maximum pulley combination that is currently available and a 100+hp shot of nitrous.
Talking about larger blowers for the ZL1:
a dude in the middle east slapped a 4.0L whipple on his and made 984whp until the engine blew up. (all supporting mods)
Another dude went to the ZR1 2.3L TVS and made 807rwhp until the engine blew up. (all supporting mods)
KB makes a 3.6L kit for the ZL1 but I haven't seen anyone use it...yet.
Moral of this story is that you are correct about making the ZL1 fast, in fact, just as fast as a stock long block, no nitrous 2013+ GT500.
History shows that the ZL1 won't survive at those elevated levels for very long though, even with a nearly maximum effort engine build.
I must be butthurt with such a long reply.....LOL
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I maintain that gm effed up by not putting the ls9 in the gt500. the zl1 historically is supposed to get the best engine that gm made at the time, and the lsa is not that.
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Ya did get an answer. It was in depth and detailed.
It was the one that explained that GM introduced a new engine design in '98.
A design which dramatically improved the engine's means to breath, therefore to produce more power.
This being distinct from what Ford did in the new 500, wherein it opened up the cylinders on the same-old engine and slapped on a bigger blower.
Ford was phoning it in throughout the 90s and as a result, got their *** consistently handed to them.
The new Ford GT500 is, I believe, a sign that Ford… in 2013, (someone call NASA and find out how long its been since '96-98) has FINALLY decided to get back in the game.
It hasn't done anything particularly new YET! But I believe that the signs indicate that they've got something cookin'… and let me be the first to say: "WELCOME BACK! Better late let than Never and WHAT TOOK SO LONG?".
Also… just to rub it in, The GT500 is a fast car. Proving once again that anything can be fast if ya slap a big enough blower on it.
On a side note… Did anyone see the video of that GT500 beating the new base C7 (LT1) Vette? It took all day, but by goodness! It finally got there!
It was the one that explained that GM introduced a new engine design in '98.
A design which dramatically improved the engine's means to breath, therefore to produce more power.
This being distinct from what Ford did in the new 500, wherein it opened up the cylinders on the same-old engine and slapped on a bigger blower.
Ford was phoning it in throughout the 90s and as a result, got their *** consistently handed to them.
The new Ford GT500 is, I believe, a sign that Ford… in 2013, (someone call NASA and find out how long its been since '96-98) has FINALLY decided to get back in the game.
It hasn't done anything particularly new YET! But I believe that the signs indicate that they've got something cookin'… and let me be the first to say: "WELCOME BACK! Better late let than Never and WHAT TOOK SO LONG?".
Also… just to rub it in, The GT500 is a fast car. Proving once again that anything can be fast if ya slap a big enough blower on it.
On a side note… Did anyone see the video of that GT500 beating the new base C7 (LT1) Vette? It took all day, but by goodness! It finally got there!
Good on ya Blue Oval!
That's one fine blower ya got there!
(Who makes it?)
That's one fine blower ya got there!
(Who makes it?)
GT500 and ZL1 are competitors. PERIOD. Doesn't matter if one has 800HP and the other 300. They are the top of the line pony cars.
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It hasn't done anything particularly new YET! But I believe that the signs indicate that they've got something cookin'… and let me be the first to say: "WELCOME BACK! Better late let than Never and WHAT TOOK SO LONG?".
Also… just to rub it in, The GT500 is a fast car. Proving once again that anything can be fast if ya slap a big enough blower on it.
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We, on this site, are the minority (car enthusiasts, can appreciate the entire car), but GM and Ford give precisely 0 ***** about a bunch of gear heads bickering on a site (as you so eloquently said before.)
Dey want da money, honey, and if it ain't sellin', give it a rest...and so the Camaro did...it took a 7 year nap and returned in the form of a tank.
The GT500 is atop the ZL1 right now. Competition is good, it breeds progress. In no time, I predict the Camaro will be back on top, and back and forth and back and forth.
(...aaaaaand bighammer with the Mustang 2 in 3....2....1....)
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Oh Dude… I didn't want to get into this until it was done, BUT…
Brand new AFR210 base castings which were sent directly to LE for his signature wiz-kid magic. He's setting up the valve train now and, just to be sure… spec'd us up a nice little cam, to top it off.
You should have seen the plugs on that thing when I pulled the heads. SOAKED in Fuel. We knew it was dumping fuel…, just couldn't figure out why.
So, when I was yanking the top end to send the old heads off to the buyer, every single one of the bolts on the intake were finger tight.
Yeah… that's a little trick I did all by myself!
I had taken an enormous amount of time to manicure the intake gasket. Using my camera probe to look into each runner to be sure that, NO WHERE, was there any sign of overhanging gasket which might interrupt airflow.
It was, if I do say so myself… and rest assured: I DO, PERFECTION! Within the scope of human capability.
Then, I carefully applied the silicone 360* around the outside of the intake and set it on the engine, double checking with the camera that everything had remained still and that each runner was spot on, finger tightened the bolts and left to dry over night.
At which time THE CELEBRATION BEGAN!
Oh the Beer was a flowin' and the shots they were a slidin' down SMOoothe as BUTTERMILK.
The MOTOR: SHE WAS DONE!
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When I recovered, I apparently never got back around to actually torquing those bolts down and I can only assume that under load the intake was leakin' like a sieve.
So… I expect to see some marked improvement in AF, if nothin' else.
Brand new AFR210 base castings which were sent directly to LE for his signature wiz-kid magic. He's setting up the valve train now and, just to be sure… spec'd us up a nice little cam, to top it off.
You should have seen the plugs on that thing when I pulled the heads. SOAKED in Fuel. We knew it was dumping fuel…, just couldn't figure out why.
So, when I was yanking the top end to send the old heads off to the buyer, every single one of the bolts on the intake were finger tight.
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Yeah… that's a little trick I did all by myself!
I had taken an enormous amount of time to manicure the intake gasket. Using my camera probe to look into each runner to be sure that, NO WHERE, was there any sign of overhanging gasket which might interrupt airflow.
It was, if I do say so myself… and rest assured: I DO, PERFECTION! Within the scope of human capability.
Then, I carefully applied the silicone 360* around the outside of the intake and set it on the engine, double checking with the camera that everything had remained still and that each runner was spot on, finger tightened the bolts and left to dry over night.
At which time THE CELEBRATION BEGAN!
Oh the Beer was a flowin' and the shots they were a slidin' down SMOoothe as BUTTERMILK.
The MOTOR: SHE WAS DONE!
.
.
.
When I recovered, I apparently never got back around to actually torquing those bolts down and I can only assume that under load the intake was leakin' like a sieve.
So… I expect to see some marked improvement in AF, if nothin' else.