bolt on ls1 vs bolt on 5.0
03-30-2014, 10:41 AM
#82
I've never heard of a legitimate stock block coyote making 2000hp. From what I have seen posted you better not go over 800 if you want it to live any time at all. Sleeved blocks are not a REAL example of any engine......that would be a modified block and no real indication of what the stock block can do.
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Not like it matters.......who the **** cares what about a 2000 hp engine? None of us are running one. Most of us are just ******* with bolt-ons or h/c or cam only shitty.
To see the real potential of the engine it HAS to breath on it's own anyway. Anything other than that is just sizing the boostinator/ fuel system to the power you want. I give the guys that build it the credit for that.
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Not like it matters.......who the **** cares what about a 2000 hp engine? None of us are running one. Most of us are just ******* with bolt-ons or h/c or cam only shitty.
To see the real potential of the engine it HAS to breath on it's own anyway. Anything other than that is just sizing the boostinator/ fuel system to the power you want. I give the guys that build it the credit for that.
03-30-2014, 12:08 PM
#83
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I thought we already established from a previous thread that the Camaro in the vid also has an aftermarket converter. Am I mistaken? It seems that this mod always gets missed in the list of "things" done. With that one modification alone, that will give a big advantage to the Camaro at the track coming off the line...(as shown in the vid)
I am not pulling for the 5.0 since I like both cars, but for the A4 Camaro to be running 12.4 at 113mpg with basic bolt-ons, there is more going on with that car IMO. If you want to use the words such as "comparable modifications" when talking about these two cars, then have the 5.Bro install a converter also and run them again.
If I am wrong about any of my assumptions (converter), than I apologize.
I am not pulling for the 5.0 since I like both cars, but for the A4 Camaro to be running 12.4 at 113mpg with basic bolt-ons, there is more going on with that car IMO. If you want to use the words such as "comparable modifications" when talking about these two cars, then have the 5.Bro install a converter also and run them again.
If I am wrong about any of my assumptions (converter), than I apologize.
03-30-2014, 12:23 PM
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03-30-2014, 12:42 PM
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03-30-2014, 01:12 PM
#89
I've asked this question before and can never get a answer. What do yo guys think the hp spread on a modern type stock fuel injected engine should be?
Assuming all are in proper running order with similar options. I would think 1% difference in hp/tq would be alot on identical cars.
Assuming all are in proper running order with similar options. I would think 1% difference in hp/tq would be alot on identical cars.
03-30-2014, 01:20 PM
#91
One thing you guys have to udnerstand is there were ALOT of changes made to the LS1 through its years. All of which were a wash. No more then a 10hp spread (longblocks themselves... not different intakes, exhausts from factory). For example... look at the cam differences between a 98 and an 02. As far as comparing 241s to 853s... you are grasping at straws to say that the 241s flow better. You are talking such minimal cfm difference that the amount of oil in the runners have a bigger effect on the HP. The ACTUAL reasoning behind changing the top end was to duplicate the same top end power while making a bit more low end tq...which is why there is less cam and more cylinder head/intake in the later model ls1s. And to be quite honest... the FASTEST ls1 f bodies ive ever encountered/driven... were all 98-99s. Does that mean they are the superior motor... no. Just means the cleaner running motor with better ring seal was the stronger motor. Thats how little the changes effected everything. 2000 ls1s on the other hand were the transition year. There were all sorts of factory part combos in random motors produced through the year.
03-30-2014, 01:23 PM
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...1-74-bump.html
...there have been a total of 3. Gutted, non-street legal cars. My car has 500+ lbs. on those and I can drive down the freeway at 80 still getting 25mpg with the A/C blowing cold. The hard life of running a 3.31 rear gear.
Also, the top car there ran that time in -1K' DA, not +1,700' DA like the poor guy running his 5.0.
Here is the most complete bolt-on 5.0 list:
http://www.modularfords.com/threads/...Racing-ET-List
03-30-2014, 01:31 PM
#93
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According to this list...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...1-74-bump.html
...there have been a total of 3. Gutted, non-street legal cars. My car has 500+ lbs. on those and I can drive down the freeway at 80 still getting 25mpg with the A/C blowing cold. The hard life of running a 3.31 rear gear.
Also, the top car there ran that time in -1K' DA, not +1,700' DA like the poor guy running his 5.0.
Here is the most complete bolt-on 5.0 list:
http://www.modularfords.com/threads/...Racing-ET-List
https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...1-74-bump.html
...there have been a total of 3. Gutted, non-street legal cars. My car has 500+ lbs. on those and I can drive down the freeway at 80 still getting 25mpg with the A/C blowing cold. The hard life of running a 3.31 rear gear.
Also, the top car there ran that time in -1K' DA, not +1,700' DA like the poor guy running his 5.0.
Here is the most complete bolt-on 5.0 list:
http://www.modularfords.com/threads/...Racing-ET-List
So you better GTFO!
03-30-2014, 01:45 PM
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03-30-2014, 02:34 PM
#96
He can't even post a pic, much less a vid of it in action. He has been asked repeatedly by Cwarta to meet up locally and goes MIA every time, lol.
03-30-2014, 02:36 PM
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03-30-2014, 02:54 PM
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I thought we already established from a previous thread that the Camaro in the vid also has an aftermarket converter. Am I mistaken? It seems that this mod always gets missed in the list of "things" done. With that one modification alone, that will give a big advantage to the Camaro at the track coming off the line...(as shown in the vid)
I am not pulling for the 5.0 since I like both cars, but for the A4 Camaro to be running 12.4 at 113mpg with basic bolt-ons, there is more going on with that car IMO. If you want to use the words such as "comparable modifications" when talking about these two cars, then have the 5.Bro install a converter also and run them again.
If I am wrong about any of my assumptions (converter), than I apologize.
I am not pulling for the 5.0 since I like both cars, but for the A4 Camaro to be running 12.4 at 113mpg with basic bolt-ons, there is more going on with that car IMO. If you want to use the words such as "comparable modifications" when talking about these two cars, then have the 5.Bro install a converter also and run them again.
If I am wrong about any of my assumptions (converter), than I apologize.
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That equals 12.4 @ 113 in a stock stall A4. Happens all the time.
03-30-2014, 02:56 PM
#99
One thing you guys have to udnerstand is there were ALOT of changes made to the LS1 through its years. All of which were a wash. No more then a 10hp spread (longblocks themselves... not different intakes, exhausts from factory). For example... look at the cam differences between a 98 and an 02. As far as comparing 241s to 853s... you are grasping at straws to say that the 241s flow better. You are talking such minimal cfm difference that the amount of oil in the runners have a bigger effect on the HP. The ACTUAL reasoning behind changing the top end was to duplicate the same top end power while making a bit more low end tq...which is why there is less cam and more cylinder head/intake in the later model ls1s. And to be quite honest... the FASTEST ls1 f bodies ive ever encountered/driven... were all 98-99s. Does that mean they are the superior motor... no. Just means the cleaner running motor with better ring seal was the stronger motor. Thats how little the changes effected everything. 2000 ls1s on the other hand were the transition year. There were all sorts of factory part combos in random motors produced through the year.
03-30-2014, 02:59 PM
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The car in the video does not have an aftermarket stall. That's what was confirmed in the other thread. I ordered a circle d 4c+ 3800-4000 single disc stall from Brian @ KYTP performance which is not in the car yet, I'm not putting a big stall in a stock 60e.